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#16 cantrell

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 06:36 PM

I know that those on the left think it should be ok'd and even expanded on, while those on the right think it should be struck down.


The question is, what do you think actually will happen?


yes those of us on the left love "private mandates" and other massive giveaways to the private sector

people on the left wanted, and still want, single payer, so i don't see how you "know that that those on the left think obamacare should be ok'd and even expanded on"

#17 g5jamz

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 08:34 PM

Lawyer buddy thinks it's partial overturn...no ruling on state's/medicare reimbursement. Mandate strikedown. Intent of severability was there in House version, but due to "technicality" didn't make to final version, so no complete strikedown. Which I find horsecrap...but these judges are going to catch hell regardless of their decision.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 05:38 AM

but these judges are going to catch hell regardless of their decision.


That is definitely true. Probably why they are releasing the decision on their last day of the session, so they can get the hell out of town.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 06:04 AM

dear davidson deac,

please explain to the class why the left thinks that "obamacare" should be "ok'd and even expanded upon"*



*difficulty: "the left" doesn't include every fuging person to the left of you. you are not at the center of the political spectrum.

#20 MadHatter

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 06:38 AM

I guess that is what Jesus would have done too... "I will heal your sicknesses if you paid your Roman taxes"...

It is so funny that The GOP acts like they are so Christian, but when it comes to humanitarian issues, they show that their real agenda is that human well-being should be decided on how much money you make.

They actually make me sick to be honest.


Thought you guys did not believe in God and religion.....now you use Jesus to try and make a point.

Nice try.

#21 MadHatter

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 06:41 AM

Supreme Court is expected to issue its ruling on Obama Care.

So what are your thoughts on what that ruling will be? WIll it be struck down entirely, or upheld, or will parts of it be struck down?

My guess is that most of it will be left intact, but that the mandatory provision will be struck down but the rest of it will be left alone.

Btw, its interesting that the SC is releasing its ruling on its last day before adjournment. Seems like they want to get out of town quickly. :)


Without the mandate, the rest of the bill would collapse under the financial burden. You CANNOT cover pre-existing conditions without requiring everyone to have insurance.

Insurance is built on the premise that the majority of people will pay more for insurance than they will ever collect in services...and that this spend pays for the minority that receive much more than they pay.

With coverage of pre-existing conditions and no mandatory insurance, they young and healthy Americans will forego insurance until they really need it. Then, they can purchase it and have everything covered. The medical/insurance industry would collapse under this scenario.....unless premiums SKYROCKETED for those with the insurance.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:02 AM

Giant news either way it goes down.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:03 AM

With coverage of pre-existing conditions and no mandatory insurance, they young and healthy Americans will forego insurance until they really need it. Then, they can purchase it and have everything covered. The medical/insurance industry would collapse under this scenario.....unless premiums SKYROCKETED for those with the insurance.


Which is what a lot of people do now...not just the young. They choose WAIVE insurance on their benefits applications. I think people are really confused on the preexisting condition issue. There are two completely different problems. One, which everyone supports, is where you've had insurance the whole time and by things outside your control (employment, move to another state, etc) cause you to change insurance companies and the new one simply refuse to cover your problems. The other is the one you're mentioning whereby someone just holds off not buying insurance...living it up using that money for other stuff and then thinking they can buy it once they feel they really have to have it.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:09 AM

upheld

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:09 AM

being struck down. may need to merge by lame brain post from this am. sheesh

#26 JakeFlake

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:10 AM

BREAKING: Supreme Court upholds Obama law's requirement that most Americans have health insurance.

#27 JakeFlake

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:11 AM

CNN is reporting that the Supreme Court will overturn the individual mandate in health care law

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:12 AM

Mandate gone...which everyone kinda knew what was going to happen.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:14 AM

yahoo is saying it STAYS

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:15 AM

stays as a tax


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