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Obama has passed the largest tax increase in the history of the world

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don't worry cantrell, now they have Obama saying there are 57 states AND Obamacare isn't a tax, har har

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Obama said it wasn't a tax.

Wish he'd have a press conference to allow people to ask him questions. For now...the Carney will do.

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Obama said it wasn't a tax.

Wish he'd have a press conference to allow people to ask him questions. For now...the Carney will do.

romney also said it wasn't a tax so i'm guessing that a presidential candidate who argues that the individual mandate is not a tax isn't really a dealbreaker for you

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it got more than 51 votes, why does it only need 51?

edit: reconciliation to get it to go away...?

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it got more than 51 votes, why does it only need 51?

edit: reconciliation to get it to go away...?

Yep.

It passed via reconciliation....51 votes.

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If this law actually goes into effect fully, I doubt it'll ever be outright repealed. Now, they may try and repeal the mandate and tinker with the framework, but history has shown that once entitlement programs go into effect it's extremely rare for them to be simply done away with. People tend to like free stuff, American or otherwise.

As for the tax/penalty debate... honestly, I don't see how this is any different than anything else they use to determine someone's tax burden. They already use income level, marital status, kids/no kids, dependents, exemptions, etc. Essentially what Roberts decided is that "health care: yes or no?" is just another box to check in determining what your taxes will be each year.

It really doesn't do anything different with anything. It may set a precedent in some ways, but on the whole it's not a radical change in the government's authority to tax.

As for Obama saying it's not a tax... well, they didn't argue that it was before the court. From what I've read, it was Roberts who made that determination on his own based on his knowledge of the law. It's odd, I saw Michael Moore of all people on TV talking about this and he noted that Roberts actually seems to have gone out of his way to actually make Obama's case for him rather than just ruling on the case as it was presented.

Really baffling that Roberts would not only side with the left here, but that he'd go out of his way to essentially argue the Obama administration's point for them. Just a head-scratcher there. I know conservatives must feel pretty betrayed by the whole thing.

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Without a little socialism we'd all be in corporate work camps right now. The partisan bickering over socialism is insane. Some of our closest allies in the world have socialist governments; it's not communism and this isn't the cold war anymore. Many programs we've had for decades are based on socialist ideas. Believe it or not, Obamacare didn't invent social wellfare.

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You do realize that YOU get to pick your healthcare, hospital, doctor, etc, right? The government isn't controlling you, you tinfoil hat-wearing crazy person.

give it time. everything else they said about this bill has been a lie. Including that is not a tax. So I don't trust this gov at all anymore. All they have done for the last two decades is accumulate power and wealth from those who earn it.The gov has been helping itself, but not the people. I might be crazy and if I'm wrong then I'll be happy. But I have watched the elites put the ducks in a row for some time now. I used to laugh at those who clinged to conspiracies. But I'm not stupid either. I know when I'm being set up.

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