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#31 Floppin

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 05:52 PM

My point was that modern medicine kills more people than guns in the US. Nothing more nothing less. I understand the point of medicine though. It's largely an irrelevant point, I just felt like pointing it out.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 07:57 PM

My point was that modern medicine kills more people than guns in the US. Nothing more nothing less. I understand the point of medicine though. It's largely an irrelevant point, I just felt like pointing it out.

Think about how many would die without medicine vs. how many would die without guns.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 08:12 PM

Yeah, I already stated that.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 08:13 PM

I will say that Medicine and Capitalism are a bad mix. This combination does not work for the benefit of the patient, but solely for profit.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 05:47 PM

of the 50 million that do not currently have insurance, is there a full breakdown/metric as to why they currently do not? Are they all umemployed? Single? Retired? Gypsys?

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 05:52 PM

of the 50 million that do not currently have insurance, is there a full breakdown/metric as to why they currently do not? Are they all umemployed? Single? Retired? Gypsys?


This is the crux of why I don't think this bill is any good. Most people without health insurance (people who can't afford it) are exempt from the mandate. The only thing the mandate does is make people who can afford it buy it. It's a favor to insurance companies, that's all.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 05:53 PM

Because the cost of even a 10k deductible plan for me is over 100bucks a month, for my family it's close to 400. I just can't afford that right now. That's paying over 1k a year for healthcare for myself that doesn't actually do anything unless I pay over 10k worth of medical bills first?

Also most of these baseline plans don't include medication, some do for generic only, but others require a fuging medication deductible of upwards of 500bucks.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 06:11 PM

exactly rodeo. which boggles my mind as to the true nature of the plan. it doesnt really fix or address any of the real issues.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 06:11 PM

This is the crux of why I don't think this bill is any good. Most people without health insurance (people who can't afford it) are exempt from the mandate. The only thing the mandate does is make people who can afford it buy it. It's a favor to insurance companies, that's all.


I remember arguing this until I was blue in the face while this was being debated, that insurance companies and large hospital groups were the biggest supporters, and being largely ignored by both sides.

Sigh

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 06:19 PM

I remember arguing this until I was blue in the face while this was being debated, that insurance companies and large hospital groups were the biggest supporters, and being largely ignored by both sides.

Sigh


Jase. Come on. People ignoring you has nothing to do with your positions.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 06:22 PM

My good looks and cunning wit can be off putting, I admit.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 06:28 PM

"Here comes Jase again, tune out before he shines his light on our darkness."

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 06:42 PM

Mandate every home own a gun. It's even in the constitution..


Not only would it be perfectly legal for congress to pass such a law, its been done before

https://en.wikipedia...tia_Act_of_1792

Oh wait, you were sarcastically trying to prove a point about it being unconstitutional or something

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 06:57 PM

"Here comes Jase again, tune out before he shines his light on our darkness."


I'll accept beacon, or city on a hill. Whatever.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 08:16 PM

Not only would it be perfectly legal for congress to pass such a law, its been done before

https://en.wikipedia...tia_Act_of_1792

Oh wait, you were sarcastically trying to prove a point about it being unconstitutional or something


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