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Pennsylvania Republican Mike Turzai explains the goal of his state's Voter ID laws for us

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What's wrong with voter ID? Somebody casting a vote in an American election should have to prove they are eligible to vote.

Do you support fraudulent votes? You have to show ID to buy alchohol, cigarettes, and a myriad of other things. Showing ID will not suppress anybody from voting unless that person does not qualify to vote. It's a no brainer.

So why do you oppose voter ID?

all i did was post a video of a prominent republican politician explaining why he's in favor of voter ID

how would you react to a democrat giving a speech following the repeal of a voter ID law that contained a phrase like "repeal of voter ID laws, which will allow president obama to win this state. done."?

obama won pennsylvania by over 600,000 votes in 2008. either mike turzai is asserting that 600,000 cases of voter fraud occurred at the polls, or he's literally referring to penn's voter ID law as a disenfranchisement effort. how else can you interpret a statement like, and i quote, "Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.”?

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also all of you who think it's no big deal should read this article posted on the previous page:

http://articles.phil...-voter-id-cards

these measures are intended to stress out state resources and make it a pain in the ass for people in demographics that are annoying to republicans to vote, bottom line. i know conservatives have blue balls for it but it's something that needs to be phased in over the course of several years instead of shoehorned through like eight months before the general election.

]But for most voters, the Pennsylvania driver's license is the standard photo ID. The disclosure that 9 percent of the state's registered voters don't have one - or an alternative, nondriver PennDot photo ID - provides a clearer picture of the hurdle set up by the state's new voter ID requirement.

lmao 9 percent of the state who were previously able to vote possibly locked out of the general election. what tools you all are. also if any of you would like to prove that 600,000+ cases of voter fraud occurred in pennsylvania in 2008 and this move will subsequently stop that thus handing the state to romney fair and square, then be my guest.

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Aparently, government mandates to purchase things are now legal, so all we need is a government mandate to purchase a Photo ID, and the problem is solved.

wow, i hadn't thought of it that way.

the only real issue with this airtight argument is that you need the supreme court to overturn the 24th amendment and make poll taxes (which is exactly what making people pay for an ID in order to vote is) legal again.

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wow, i hadn't thought of it that way.

the only real issue with this airtight argument is that you need the supreme court to overturn the 24th amendment and make poll taxes (which is exactly what making people pay for an ID in order to vote is) legal again.

If the mandate said you had to puchase it to vote, you may have a point, but since all I said was mandate that everyone have a photo ID. your argument equals fail.

And since eveyone would then have a Photo ,by government mandate, there is no reson they shouldn't show it to prove who they are when they go to vote.

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If the mandate said you had to puchase it to vote, you may have a point, but since all I said was mandate that everyone have a photo ID. your argument equals fail.

And since eveyone would then have a Photo ,by government mandate, there is no reson they shouldn't show it to prove who they are when they go to vote.

caveats would have to be made for people who have religious objections just like with the health care reform which would otherwise still result in the issue of people being unable to vote. you'd also have state governments bitching about a federal mandate being foisted upon them with many outright refusing to cooperate which is exactly what happened in 2005 when the real ID act forced the states to comply with minimum federal standards for driver's licenses and other IDs. that law has now been basically shelved with half of the states choosing not to comply at all: http://en.wikipedia....iki/REAL_ID_Act. that is also what is happening with the medicaid expansion under the PPACA in some states to keep the obamacare analogy rolling.

then there's the issue of high-powered groups like the ACLU suing on a 24th amendment basis anyway.

so yes i suppose i sure did "fail hard" by mildly misinterpreting your inane proposition.

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All photo IDs must contain an expiration date that is current, unless noted otherwise. Acceptable IDs include:
  • Photo IDs issued by the U.S. Federal Government or the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania:

    • Pennsylvania driver’s license or non-driver’s license photo ID (IDs are valid for voting purposes 12 months past expiration date)
    • Valid U.S. passport
    • U.S. military ID - active duty and retired military (a military or veteran’s ID must designate an expiration date or designate that the expiration date is indefinite). Military dependents’ ID must contain an expiration date

  • Employee photo ID issued by Federal, PA, County or Municipal government
  • Photo ID cards from an accredited Pennsylvania public or private institution of higher learning
  • Photo ID cards issued by a Pennsylvania care facility, including long-term care facilities, assisted living residences or personal care homes

If you do not have one of these IDs and require one for voting purposes, you may be entitled to get one FREE OF CHARGE at a PennDOT Driver License Center.

The linked article on list those people who do not have a id from the transportation department. Doesn't list the ;numbers that have the other kinds of id. And the law says people can get a free id from the department of transportation. So I don't see that they have any excuse for not voting.

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The linked article on list those people who do not have a id from the transportation department. Doesn't list the ;numbers that have the other kinds of id. And the law says people can get a free id from the department of transportation. So I don't see that they have any excuse for not voting.

But but but .............................its all an underhanded consevative plan to disenfranchise democrats, Havn't you been paying attention?

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..............

so yes i suppose i sure did "fail hard" by mildly misinterpreting your inane proposition.

So we agree, you failed.

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If the Pennsylvania legislature/governor had not chickened out and done proportional delegation for electoral votes....Obama would have a much more difficult time "winning" the state.

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The linked article on list those people who do not have a id from the transportation department. Doesn't list the ;numbers that have the other kinds of id. And the law says people can get a free id from the department of transportation. So I don't see that they have any excuse for not voting.

I think it comes down to this... there will be a number of people who will be disenfranchised because of this this since they are unable to get to a DMV, don't know about the law, or whatever before the election. Yes, crazy, blah blah, I get it, but for some people it may not be the priority it is for us. Should these people get to vote this election? I think so. But, given adequate time, I think most people can get photo IDs.

It seems to me laws like this should be implemented for future elections(that is, not active for this November) they should take advantage of the upcoming election to spread the word about the policy change. that is, when you go to vote, they tell you the next election you WILL need a photo ID. If you don't have one, they should allow you to vote then immediately set you up with a way to get one. Obviously every polling place can't necessarily issue government IDs but provide information etc on how to get one, which will mean those individuals who right now vote without a photo ID will be explicitly informed of the change and given a whole hell of a lot of time, as well as help, in getting one.

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