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Panthro

Shut Penn State Football Down...

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If Penn State football is to move forward, they have to erase the "white helmets standing for purity" and everything else tied to Paterno. Get a new logo and colors and start with a young, energetic coach who wants to tackle the rebuilding project of all rebuilding projects. Take one year off and hit restart. That way you don't absolutely kill all the other athletic programs that did nothing wrong here.

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I have read several articles from authors (with no ties to PSU) who ACTUALLY read the entire Freeh report (and did not just listen to his press conference). All of these authors have stated that there are some BIG issues with his report. The first is the fact that he NEVER interviewed any of the parties involved. Not Spanier, Curley, etc....not even McQuery. He made assumptions based on vague e-mails that they said were not supported by the actual evidence that he did review.

He made comments about the individuals knowledge and intent....without ever talking to the actual people. And that is an issue.

Do I think that Paterno and others wanted to believe that the 1998 and 2003 issues were misunderstanding and not what they turned out to be....Yes. They allowed themselves to cloud their judgement because of the negative impact that even allegations would bring. They made a HUGE mistake that quite frankly they could not afford to make. Their actions (or inactions) led to additional children being abused.

However, I do not believe that they knew what Sandusky was doing and chose to cover it up.

There is a fine line between the two and it does not justify the actions/inactions that occurred. But, the implication from Freeh that they did not care about the kids and chose to know about the abuse and allow it to happen is not accurate.

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Also, Freeh was selected by PSU themselves.

This made me chuckle.

Milton McDaniels

BREAKING PENN STATE NEWS: Joe Paterno's statue is to be moved to the campus library to remind students to stay quiet at all times.

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Ahh, I see. First it was "LETS WAIT UNTIL THE FACTS COME OUT" and now it's "THE FACTS ARE WRONG."

I am not saying that he was wrong. Merely pointing out weaknesses in his report....as said/commented on by other authors (who did not have ties to PSU).

I was surprised that he never intereviewed any of the parties involved. I do find it difficult to understand how a thorough and complete investigation could be done without interviewing people.

I believe that the PSU leadership screwed up BIG TIME with this. I think that they did not want to believe that Sandusky was a predator. I think that they let their concern for the PSU reputation significantly cloud their judgement. I also think that they actually believed the things that they convinced themselves of.

I do hon however believe that they knew that Sandusky was a predator and chose to allow it to continue to happen.

I am not questioning the result of their actions/inactions (for which I think they should all be held accountable for)....just the inference by Freeh that they "knew" and chose not to care.

As for the statue comment above....that WAS damn funny.

I am not defending Paterno and group. Hell, my wife and I have gotten into HEATED debates and arguements over this. I am convinced that Paterno was definitely involved in all of the discussions and decisions. He was NOT an innocent party to this. She is a PSU Grad and just can't allow those homer glasses to see that he was.

This situation is exactly why we have the law we do in NC. ANY allegation of abuse MUST be reported to the police if it involves someone affiliated to a school. The school and its leadership do not have the authority to determine whether they think the allegation has merit. There IS a conflict of interest if you allowed them to do so....plain and simple.

And....I still blame McQuery more than anyone. He (by his own testimony) actually saw the abuse. He knew that the police were never called. Yet, he did and said NOTHING......only until this story blew up and he was covering his ass. He is NOT to be applauded for testifying....he is to be shamed for only doing so AFTER the story broke and to try and save his own ass.

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The witch hunt on Penn State won't prevent children from being abused in the future. Sandusky could've raped those children anywhere. People need to look at the source of this problem. Kids are being left alone with adults unrelated to them. Why would these kids be left alone with Sandusky? It reminds me of the parents of the kids who were allowed to visit Michael Jackson's ranch and sleep in his bed. Our society is too naive. We need more checks and balances to prevent adults from having the opportunities to do this to children.

Adoption is also quite popular with pedophiles. Adoption should be more open than it is. People should adopt within their communities and there should be frequent health examinations, mentally and physically for the children. This should be the case even with biological children. We as a society are quite similar to Joe Paterno. Nobody cares.

I also think kids need to be taught about pedophilia. Many of them become scared in these situations and do nothing. They are overwhelmed with an unprecedented scenario that is disturbing and shocking. I don't know how you can explain this type of thing to a child, but if kids were more aware of the behavior they wouldn't be so against reporting it themselves. They'd have a better understanding of what happened to them, why it was wrong, and the course of action to take in the aftermath.

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And....I still blame McQuery more than anyone. He (by his own testimony) actually saw the abuse. He knew that the police were never called. Yet, he did and said NOTHING......only until this story blew up and he was covering his ass. He is NOT to be applauded for testifying....he is to be shamed for only doing so AFTER the story broke and to try and save his own ass.

From just a visceral, emotional perspective, I blame McQueary for not stopping it at that moment, certainly. I'd like to think I'd be overcome with rage and could never have walked out in silence. How he left that kid in there just makes me terribly, terribly sad, for lack of a better description.

That said, this is ultimately an issue of a perverse culture, distinctively constructed to fit Paterno's devices. Penn State created a culture where the head football coach was the most powerful man on campus and was held accountable by no one. We joked about it for years, but nobody gave it a second thought because Joe Pa was believed to be a saint. This cover up would have never occurred if Penn State didn't create an environment where the football program was preserved above all else. It would have never occurred if there was a proper chain of command. It would have never occurred if there were checks and balances. It would have never occurred if there was a strong, centralized compliance office overlooking the football program like there's supposed to be. It wouldn't have happened if the environment at Penn State didn't scare its low level employees into thinking they would be fired for opening their mouths. That's where the NCAA will find fault. And unfortunately for PSU, Emmert made it quite clear that past precedent means jack poo in this case. They can do whatever they want at this point.

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From just a visceral, emotional perspective, I blame McQueary for not stopping it at that moment, certainly. I'd like to think I'd be overcome with rage and could never have walked out in silence. How he left that kid in there just makes me terribly, terribly sad, for lack of a better description.

That said, this is ultimately an issue of a perverse culture, distinctively constructed to fit Paterno's devices. Penn State created a culture where the head football coach was the most powerful man on campus and was held accountable by no one. We joked about it for years, but nobody gave it a second thought because Joe Pa was believed to be a saint. This cover up would have never occurred if Penn State didn't create an environment where the football program was preserved above all else. It would have never occurred if there was a proper chain of command. It would have never occurred if there were checks and balances. It would have never occurred if there was a strong, centralized compliance office overlooking the football program like there's supposed to be. It wouldn't have happened if the environment at Penn State didn't scare its low level employees into thinking they would be fired for opening their mouths. That's where the NCAA will find fault. And unfortunately for PSU, Emmert made it quite clear that past precedent means jack poo in this case. They can do whatever they want at this point.

This I agree with 100%.

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If the culture there is so mind warped that otherwise reasonable persons would continue backing Paterno despite the evidence that he turned his back on children being continuously raped by a pedophile, then yes, the current student body deserves to get punished as well. I agree with Panthro, shut it down for five years and give the students there a chance to regain their sanity.

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It really appears more than just a vocal minority support Paterno. That clown they elected to the BoT is not of the dissenting view from a lot of the morons flooding the campus the night JoePa was fired nor the ones still denying the facts on Twitter/Facebook en mass.

The culture there is warped. They need to put that Surma guy in charge for the foreseeable future, take down that dumbass statue, release anyone under scholarship without penalty, cancel the season and start building a war-chest for the civil ciyrt tsunami coming their way.

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Sanction and knock yhem down to D2. I know that affects a lot of innocent kids but so did the decisions of their staff.

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Shut the football program down; take out any administrator that had any idea this was going on; but leave the academics mostly in place, imo.

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I never really liked Paterno. Never cared for the whole "we're better than everyone else" attitude. But...

What I also don't like to see is everyone pile on one guy. First and foremost, JoePa never put his hands on anybody. Jerry Sandusky screwed up those boys lives. Paterno was an enabler, but he was one of many. I blame the athletic director and the president every bit as much as Paterno here. For those who claim that Paterno was God in Happy Valley and there's nothing those guys could do I say "Get real." That's the same attitude as many of the PSU fans you make fun of. If you are Joe Paterno's boss and you see something that begs for someone to step up and do what needs to be done, guess what? That someone is you. Don't hide behind a legendary coach. Do the right thing. If you're a campus policeman and this info gets to you, do the right thing. You have one tenth as much on your plate as Paterno does. Make that call.

I think every one of these people said to themselves "I don't want to face the poostorm this would bring (even though deep down I think something should be done) over some disadvantaged minority kids when I'm not 100 percent sure of what exactly happened." Sandusky got away with it the same way everyone from Michael Jackson to the guy in your community who no one even suspects yet gets away with it...by earning the trust of adults before earning it of his victims. I don't consider these people "sick". I consider them evil.

Take the statue down. Paterno was one of many guilty parties, but that's enough that his likeness should never be glorified

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