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DirtyMagic97

Should Penn State Get The Death Penalty?

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I disagree. Fans, though they pay money, are nothing but spectators. If they don't like what they see, they don't have to watch. Infractions should always be peanalized.

Yeah...that was my point.

I was disagreeing with the argument that its not fair to fans/other players/etc because if you use that argument, then you should never levy penalties against anyone, yet I never see anyone disagreeing with the sanctions against USC, OSU, Miami, or UNC.

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Let's keep the apples with the apples and the oranges with the oranges. The sanctions against UNC, OSU, USC and Miami were directly related to players and their actions, either on or off the field. Granted, in nearly every one of these specific situations, players who weren't even part of the team are being unduly punished.

The Penn State situation had nothing to do with any of the players and, in that context, the NCAA should have made sure that the punishment and sanctions fall directly upon the school and not the program.

Fines? Okay, that may be the stiffest penalty of all. No bowl games? Sure, although they probably weren't going to be invited to one regardless.

Vacating wins? Tell me who that effects besides the players who won those games? Nobody. And nobody will care because every one of the players on those teams will know, as did their opponents, what the final score read on the scoreboard when the game ended. Really? Taking away wins? What for?

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The forfeits were to strike Paternos name from the record book

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The forfeits were to strike Paternos name from the record book

Exactly. The purpose of vacating the wins was to strike his legacy.

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Still think they should take the year off then come back

I was reading/listening somewhere that this was how the NCAA would take the power back. A show of strength

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The forfeits were to strike Paternos name from the record book

This.

Paterno was overly concerned about his legacy, so they destroyed it. Other than the money that will be use to set up a fund for sexually abused kids, this might be the best move of all.

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"The forfeits were to strike Paternos name from the record book."

"Exactly. The purpose of vacating the wins was to strike his legacy."

"Paterno was overly concerned about his legacy, so they destroyed it"

Not buying it. If this was the case, then why not strike his entire legacy and forfeit every win since 1966? Or, if the earliest reports of abuse are now going back to the 70's, why not strike every win from that point?

If you're going to "destroy someone's legacy," destroy it, don't half-ass it by taking away wins for 14 years of a 46-year career. Child, please.

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"The forfeits were to strike Paternos name from the record book."

"Exactly. The purpose of vacating the wins was to strike his legacy."

"Paterno was overly concerned about his legacy, so they destroyed it"

Not buying it. If this was the case, then why not strike his entire legacy and forfeit every win since 1966? Or, if the earliest reports of abuse are now going back to the 70's, why not strike every win from that point?

If you're going to "destroy someone's legacy," destroy it, don't half-ass it by taking away wins for 14 years of a 46-year career. Child, please.

Because that's when the cover up started.

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So, what about the period between 1974 and 1998? Now there are more victims going back to 1974...

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Definately agree with taking away the wins. Always thought it was stupid to punish current players and coaches for something someone else did on the team that is no longer there.

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I'm with Panthro on the one year thing. I don't agree with a lot of what the NCAA did today, but I do agree with taking JoePa's wins. I doubt you'll see anyone hang on for dear life just to beat a record any more. JoePa should have retired at 70. Bowden should have, too.

What we have here is a university that prided itself on doing things right, and by that I mean they actually cared about the athlete's education. JoePa once said that it wasn't enough to have a high graduation rate, that the degrees the players were getting had to actually mean something. I believe this was noble and that should have been allowed to survive through this mess. Let something good survive here. Let this community heal. Like I said in an earlier thread, change the uniforms, change the colors, take a year off...but let one good thing remain from the past. Happy Valley isn't evil any more than Germany is evil.

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