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#16 DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA)

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:13 PM

What doest the term "no offset language" mean, exactly?


Jake Delhomme didn't have offset language.....so when we cut him and he went to play in Clev we still paid him while he played for the Browns (and we helped make Jake one of the richest if not the richest men in the league for a season)....despite being a washed up bench warmer.

Hurney magic

Offset language would have kept us from paying Jake when he inked with another team.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:13 PM

...reputation among league GMs. The genie got let out of the bottle with the Williams and Johnson contracts. DWills deal took the top off the Peterson/Johnson negotiations and CJ contract influenced Avril's reluctance tosign long term. Now the top 8 picks (ex RGIII)are sitting out waiting for the offset language to disappear after Hurney gave in months ago.

Marty may be sitting at his own table for the next GM conference with a placemat for Mr. "F**king" Marty Hurney.


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#18 Captain Morgan

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:17 PM

so our GM is making it harder for other teams to do their jobs?

maybe we should give him a raise.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:30 PM

The OP's point to making the connection with Avril's contract demands being inflated bc of CJ's contract has some merit. However the reason Avril did not get this is that he did his punishment in a contract year playing alongside other above average Or elite D lineman.

Avril had one breakout season where CJ demonstrated his abilities even in a rotation and match the productivity upon the increase in snaps. CJ however was playing with castoffs on the Dline while doing it and was a free Agent on a team where he is the best lineman..

Avril can be replaced easier than CJ here..I would not trade CJ for Avril. DE is more than about sacks and CJ sniffs HB screens, runs and disrupts the edge on the regular...now if Suh was collapsing the pocket in the middle CJ has 15 sacks and Hardy 8-10.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:50 PM

I like it this way. Us against the world!

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:54 PM

Realistically, the "bad guy" position among NFL GMs is a rotational one.

GM for Team X gives his star player a contract for a jillion dollars. GM for team Y, who has a player at the same position either in negotiations or about to be, says "son of a...now the price is up for my guy" and sets out to negotiate with the knowledge that his player's agent will now look at what the player for Team X got as a starting point.

Eventually, GM for team Y gives his player an even bigger contract. At that point, the GM for team Z, who has a player at the same position either in negotiations or about to be, says "son of a..." and sets out to blah blah blah, the cycle continues.

The vast majority of Hurney's stuff was done last year. If you're looking for a villain of the moment, I might think Mickey Loomis is a better candidate because teams with quarterbacks soon to be in need of extension or renegotiation are now...well, you get it.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:57 PM

I go back and forth with Marty, but I honestly like his style and we could be in worse shape. Marty's not perfect, but any of you who think he's leaving any time soon need to understand that him selecting Cam basically bought him another 3-5 years here minimum.

I recall watching the NFL draft and Bill Polian, who didn't leave Charlotte on good terms with the Panthers, gave him a ringing endorsement on national TV by calling Marty Hurney "an excellent GM."

Polian knows a thing or two about building winning franchises.

Just look at teams like Chicago, Washington, and for a very long time Oakland. Yikes. None of those teams have a clue of what's going on.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:57 PM

...reputation among league GMs. The genie got let out of the bottle with the Williams and Johnson contracts. DWills deal took the top off the Peterson/Johnson negotiations and CJ contract influenced Avril's reluctance tosign long term. Now the top 8 picks (ex RGIII)are sitting out waiting for the offset language to disappear after Hurney gave in months ago.

Marty may be sitting at his own table for the next GM conference with a placemat for Mr. "F**king" Marty Hurney.


I smell troll.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:11 PM

Market sets the price. EVERY YEAR!

I predicted the cost of CJs contract in Janurary, 6 months before his contract waz signed.
It's not difficult.
CJ was the best free agent defensive end that offseason. There was no doubt he was going to get paid big. whether it's for us, or another team.
Teams have to be willing to pay what the market dictates.


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:15 PM

Who remembers National Lampoons Christmas Vacation? Where the grandma wraps the cat and jello as gifts...thats this thread. Rewrapped kittys and lime jello.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:22 PM

Market sets the price. EVERY YEAR!

I predicted the cost of CJs contract in Janurary, 6 months before his contract waz signed.
It's not difficult.
CJ was the best free agent defensive end that offseason. There was no doubt he was going to get paid big. whether it's for us, or another team.
Teams have to be willing to pay what the market dictates.


Also as the only impact DE that season it really put a premium on CJ. Him milking the ATL angle really worked to his advantage and forced the Panthers to make it a done deal he could not walk away from. Market+Leverage+losing Season = have to overpay

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:23 PM

We tagged Kalil last year, therefore could not tag CJ or D-Will.

Falcons wanted CJ, he is from the area, they are a rival, we had to pay more to keep him.

We obviously wanted to keep Deangelo, other teams were interested so we had to pay more to keep him(whether you agree with us thinking we need him is different today than it was at the time, who really knew our offense would have exploded?)

Forte, Rice and Avril were all tagged, so they didn't have much say nor did they have to be out-bid by their own teams to keep them.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:26 PM

We tagged Kalil last year, therefore could not tag CJ or D-Will.

Falcons wanted CJ, he is from the area, they are a rival, we had to pay more to keep him.

We obviously wanted to keep Deangelo, other teams were interested so we had to pay more to keep him(whether you agree with us thinking we need him is different today than it was at the time, who really knew our offense would have exploded?)

Forte, Rice and Avril were all tagged, so they didn't have much say nor did they have to be out-bid by their own teams to keep them.


Simply put and accurate.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:31 PM

I can't disagree with what the OP is saying. I mean look at what we have done the last few years, we set the bar for players across the league, I remember when we signed DWILL and Gore and Forte wanted that kind of money. Even when we signed CJ, you don't think players were like, Im better than CJ, so I think i deserve more money than him. Or when we locked up Godfrey, I remember Weddle wanting a bigger contract than him. We sign our 9th pick in the 1st round and teams are like "no offset language", and now they got to battle agents for other draftees about getting a deal like Luke. But at the same time, I don't think GM's are upset, and if they are FUG them...

sounds like hurneys ahead of the curve.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:34 PM

Don't you guys love when some little kid posts a dumbass thread, gets called out by several users, and then decides to not respond at all?


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