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#211 CRA


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Posted 26 July 2012 - 01:08 PM

Let's be realistic here, the various scenarios:

a) He miraculously fights off the tear gas, calmly aims in a crowd of screaming and scrambling pedestrians and lands the perfect shot in the head, missing the protection of the helmet to take the guy out.

b)He can't see poo, his eyes have gone to hell and he shoots at the first black figure running past him, who happens to be a young boy.

you tell me what's more likely to happen, it's a horrible situation because once initiated there isn't much anyone can do. Prevention is a much more stable form of handling this problem

A- such accuracy wasn't needed. Didn't need to aim in between cracks in his helmet. Bullets would have gone right through it. Was riot gear....not a bullet proof head. A couple hollow points wouldnt of been stopped by a riot helmet.

B - I agree here. Don't want to be part of the problem. However do to the stadium seating and where the killer positioned himself.....he was probably a good target if tear gas wasn't in play.

But the mass killing was another example of one choosing a place where people are helpless to stop them. No risk of armed civilians. There are plenty of places where this guy wouldn't of gotten off all those rounds.....but it was part of his planning.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 01:16 PM

Cn or cs (tear gas) isn't that much different than oc but effects each person differently. Most likely Holmes used an oc bomb.

Oc or cs is called "non lethal" for a reason. It will not completely debilitate a subject. People can fight through it very effectively.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 01:24 PM

he could have easily done as much damage or more with tear gas, pipe bombs, and a katana

since a katana won't jam

now i'm gonna get sued for giving someone the idea

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 04:18 PM

Do you really think that someone who plans on doing you harm is going to bust through your door guns blazing announcing his arrival? You've got a better chance of disarming someone who has a weapon than you do finding your gun and shooting a man. Unless you're John Wayne you aren't going to draw your gun and kill a man who already has his drawn.The most effective method though is target hardening which is preventative measures that makes your house less appealing to criminals.

and by the way, I'm pretty positive that my teacher who used to be a criminologist in Washington D.C. knows a bit more about crime control than a bunch of rednecks on a Carolina Panther's message board.

Really being armed doesn't help when thugs are breaking into your house? Tell that to the 81 year old woman who pulled her 38 on two guys last night that broke into her home. Guess what, they left running...

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 07:02 PM

The whole right to bare arms bullshit takes a big hit when you realize that we're currently allowed to purchase and carry weapons, and that law hurt the people in Colorado much more than it dead help them.


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#216 Davidson Deac II

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 08:36 PM

I'm a criminal justice major and I've had to sit through plenty of lectures about gun control, buddy. Chances are that makes my opinion matter much more than yours does. If you really want to protect your family you should make your house so secure that no one will be able to get into it and learn hand to hand combat in the case that someone does. I've got news for ya, bud. If someone already has their gun drawn on you they aren't going to let you run to the closet and get out your shotgun.

I dug a moat around my house and filled it with Nile Crocodiles. Seems to have worked pretty well so far.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:57 AM

he could have easily done as much damage or more with tear gas, pipe bombs, and a katana

since a katana won't jam

now i'm gonna get sued for giving someone the idea

The "watch out for the type of gun" crowd always seems to miss the point.

You can't plan for or fix crazy.

While I agree that joe blow shouldn't have access to tanks, drones, shoulder fired anti-armor missiles, crew served weapons, etc...this feller took out NINE people with a KNIFE.