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#31 MadHatter

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 05:12 PM

This is something that has been bothering me, but prestige and popularity cloud peoples judgement all the time.

I just struggle to think that Joe Pa could have gone home to his kids, and grand kids knowing what was going on in the background.

It certainly seems like he did though.


I still can't believe that they knew and did nothing. It is just do unbelievably wrong and monstrous. I still believe they just did not want to believe it and convinced themselves that it was not true. They prob bought the story that JD was telling.

Because if they really knew what was going on and still chose to let it continue, they are as evil as Sandusky himself.

My wife's family knows him personally, and they keep saying that there is no way he KNEW and turned a blind eye.



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Posted 23 July 2012 - 05:32 PM

I still can't believe that they knew and did nothing. It is just do unbelievably wrong and monstrous. I still believe they just did not want to believe it and convinced themselves that it was not true. They prob bought the story that JD was telling.

Because if they really knew what was going on and still chose to let it continue, they are as evil as Sandusky himself.
My wife's family knows him personally, and they keep saying that there is no way he KNEW and turned a blind eye.


That means absolutely nothing to me, and it shouldn't to anyone else. Almost every single time that someone does something completely fuged up and unexpected those around him are shocked and have a hard time believing that they were capable of such things. It's just a psychological system, you don't want to believe that you could associate with someone so rotten and not realize it.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 05:42 PM

That means absolutely nothing to me, and it shouldn't to anyone else. Almost every single time that someone does something completely fuged up and unexpected those around him are shocked and have a hard time believing that they were capable of such things. It's just a psychological system, you don't want to believe that you could associate with someone so rotten and not realize it.


But neither you nor I nor anyone else here knows what he really knew. That is my point.

Maybe he did know and chose to cover it up. That us hard for me to fathom. But, it may be true.

However, he could have really believed it was not true and allowed his concern for the program to cloud his judgement. We will never know.

It does not change the outcome of the situation...their inaction led to the horrific abuse if other kids.

I am only speculating on intent and motive.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 05:43 PM

I agree that we don't know, but using someone saying "Well I know him and I don't believe that he could blah blah blah" as some sort of evidence for the way that you perceive the events is flawed logic. That was my only point.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 06:02 PM

the tragic part is the football team and the kids who have NOTHING to do with the insdious crimes, are the ones that lose the most. however, the diabolical coverup by the higher ups, is the only reason it is so severe. the nuke option had to happen here.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 12:17 PM

The prestige of your football team is one of the reasons it was covered up.

It's more hypothetical....no more football ever and those kids never being molested vs what you have today




Would you trade your Catholic religion/faith for these hundreds or thousands of kids not to have been harmed?

The prestige of Catholicism is one of the reasons it was covered up.

Of course FB, Twitter, etc...won't be blowing up with people demanding that the Catholic Church be shut down. ARREST THE POPE NOW!!!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2....html?hpt=hp_t2

The trial marked the first time U.S. prosecutors have charged not just the priests who allegedly committed abuses but also church leaders for failing to stop them. Lynn is the highest-ranking cleric accused of covering up allegations of molestation and rape against priests by transferring them to unwitting parishes.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 12:24 PM

I agree that we don't know, but using someone saying "Well I know him and I don't believe that he could blah blah blah" as some sort of evidence for the way that you perceive the events is flawed logic. That was my only point.


Not really trying to use it as evidence. Just hits close to home with me.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 12:28 PM

Would you trade your Catholic religion/faith for these hundreds or thousands of kids not to have been harmed?

The prestige of Catholicism is one of the reasons it was covered up.

Of course FB, Twitter, etc...won't be blowing up with people demanding that the Catholic Church be shut down. ARREST THE POPE NOW!!!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2....html?hpt=hp_t2

The trial marked the first time U.S. prosecutors have charged not just the priests who allegedly committed abuses but also church leaders for failing to stop them. Lynn is the highest-ranking cleric accused of covering up allegations of molestation and rape against priests by transferring them to unwitting parishes.


What say you Panthro? Are you ready to shut down the church? Are you ready to dig up the past Popes and piss on their decaying bodies?

What the Catholic Church did was 1,000X worse that the PSU leaders. Senior members of the church not only should have known, but they had actual evidence of abuse and covered this up for decades. Hundreds, if not thousands, of kids were abused, and the Church turned its back on all of them.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 01:00 PM

The Freeh report made it clear that higher-ups like Paterno and Admin et al DID in fact, know about what was happening and chose the "church" of Penn State football over doing what was right.

So did the Catholic church.

So to say that what the church did was 1000X worse than what PSU did rings hollow with me.

Why? Because less boys were abused?

One is too many, and a coverup is horrible. Deliberately burying one's head in the sand and doing nothing, essentially allowing it to continue to happen is reprehensible.

So yeah, not really feeling any love, sorry.

I'm feeling bad about being a Big 10 homer, and have been feeling that way since this story broke.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 01:02 PM

Would you trade your Catholic religion/faith for these hundreds or thousands of kids not to have been harmed?

The prestige of Catholicism is one of the reasons it was covered up.

Of course FB, Twitter, etc...won't be blowing up with people demanding that the Catholic Church be shut down. ARREST THE POPE NOW!!!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2....html?hpt=hp_t2

The trial marked the first time U.S. prosecutors have charged not just the priests who allegedly committed abuses but also church leaders for failing to stop them. Lynn is the highest-ranking cleric accused of covering up allegations of molestation and rape against priests by transferring them to unwitting parishes.


I did

Boom

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 01:04 PM

I guess I'm still better than all the Penn State fans

Buncha pedo supporters

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 01:07 PM

I did

Boom



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Posted 24 July 2012 - 01:12 PM

That would have been a pretty awesome gotcha

If I want more awesome

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 01:31 PM

That would have been a pretty awesome gotcha

If I want more awesome



Did you have a Catholic wedding?


<<<casts line back into the water.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 01:44 PM

Did you have a Catholic wedding?


<<<casts line back into the water.



I had the best wedding proceeding ever. District Justice did it. transcript of the wedding:

"Do you blah blah blah for the rest of your life?"
I do
"do you blah blah blah for the rest of your life?"
I do
"Your now husband and wife. You may kiss your bride"

It took longer for my wife to walk down the isle than the person marrying us to do the wedding. Freaking great. Heck she was more nervous about doing it then I was about saying I do. She was out the back before we were done kissing and in her car heading down the road. It was so quick the videographer didn't get it on tape. Much better than the wedding we went to a month later that took an hour outside in freaking July heat.


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