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Just one more reason we have the league's best owner

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Detroit did it - a few times, but they finally got it right.

Detroit's been "rebuilding" since the 50's

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Usually, when a team dumps players, they bring in upgrades immediately, and not wait a year so they can blow truckloads of money just to retain their core players and sign C-level free agents and assume they're alright. This team still has limited talent and if it wasn't for Cam they probably would've been winless in 2011.

The Colts haven't stretched out their rebuilding into a four year plan. They acted much quicker than we did when the poo hit the fan.

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How is JR a better owner than others who actually win?

At least he drafted a black QB. I know you thought he would never do that. Thank god he did. How bad would life suck if we were watching Cam tear it up in Buffalo while we were hoping Matt Moore would pan out. Holy crap that's scary.

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2010 - Never Forget

Couldn't if I tried.

Two most memerable seasons for me as a fan (wasn't a fan until after 97) was the super bowl and 2010 and it hurts.

Cam will change this.

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Couldn't if I tried.

That Baltimore game.....

BSP at QB.

40,000 Ravens fans.

Never forget.

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I'm guessing those who are upset by the roster cuts of the 2009 offseason would rather have had a 2010 team that was QB'd by an ineffective, erratic and (more imporantly) highly expensive Delhomme... An injured, minimally effective Brad Hoover... An ineffective and injured Kemoeatu... Peppers at ~$22m... Damione Lewis at ~4.5m per season... Chris Harris as your current starting safety...

And more importantly, the (long term) salaries of those players...

We would have finished that season mediocre, at best... Perhaps 6-10 or 7-9... Missed the playoffs... Picked maybe somewhere around 10-12 in the draft and currently have a starting QB of either Gabbert or Ponder or Delhomme...

I know it sucks when popular players who have been with the team a while get released for cap reasons... But it's the nature of the beast... I know it sucks that you sometimes have to take a step backwards (2-14) in order to take a leap forward (contenders with cap space this year?)...

That said, I personally think it was the right call, at the right time... I didn't enjoy the 2-14 season, but I see the big picture... We are where we currently are, because of that season and the tough decisions made...

I can live with it...

But that's just me...

THe problem is little about your post is true at all. For starters Delhomme was going to make all the money we had to pay him in 2010 already so we cut him and still had to pay him which was totally stupid. The reason we cut him was so the players who were loyal to him wouldn't back him versus Moore and Clausen and Fox who didn't favor rookies couldn't play him. Whether he played or not he would have been a great mentor to Moore and Clausen. And as bad as he played it wasn't worse than Moore or Clausen. Ever consider that not having Jake to lean on was one of the reasons Moore did so well in 2009 and suddenly was awful in 2010 without him???

Next Hoover was on the last year of his deal so getting rid of him didn't save any long term salaries and wouldn't have hurt us going forward. Both Jake and Kemo deals had clauses which triggered a 1 year deal which were done after 2010. Moose and Lewis were both free agents and could have been brought in on a 1 year deal for very little. I can see Kemo though given he was injured but the rest was totally unwarranted and saved no salary beyond 2010. Peppers was a free agent and wasn't going to be here so he is not even part of the conversation. We tried to pay him big bucks and he turned us down. That was the tipping point. That was when we went on a cutting spree. Otherwise explain why we gave Diggs a 3 year extension in January and then cut him 3 months later. Once we lost Peppers I think Richardson told him that since we were going to suck, cut as many salaries as we can and go on the cheap. As for Harris, he was traded because he publicly stated his dislike for the cuts and was a strong supported of Jake, it had little to do with his salary which wasn't that big. They didn't want his strong locker room presence making waves.

If the truth be told, JR bagged the season purposely and said as much. He reportedly told Hurney that if they were going to have a losing season (like they did in 2009 with a 7-9 record) then he was going to cut salaries and go young (read cheap). He already knew Fox was a lame duck and was poor developing rookies but persisted anyway.

The reality is that whole going young and rebuilding crap was what they said to spin a bad situation for gullible fans who are unable to see read between the lines. They could have easily made some changes and brought in some new folks without making so many whole changes. I said before the season started that it was going to be a disaster because they gutted the team of much of the veteran leadership and locker room presence in favor of guys who didn't have a clue.

The whole we had to suck because that was the only way we could have picked up Newton is a crock as well. We were the only team that was going to pick him up at the number 1 slot. Most folks felt he would go somewhere between 8 and 15 which is where we would have picked if we won 6 or 7 games. Plus we could easily have traded up if we really wanted him.

Your whole argument just shows why companies and businesses spend millions for media specialists who spin great stories that you just regurgitated in great revisionistic history manner. The problem is that little of it is true at all.

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But have you gone to ones where you didn't know the deceased? I know I haven't.

Yes distant family members.

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Detroit's been "rebuilding" since the 50's

F. U. jk

It may be true. But it was totally uncalled for. Unless you know the circumstances, oh, nevermind. It really is tough defending the Lions.

Panther fans are spoiled. They have been competitive half the time, lost a year to Smitty, and a couple more for Jake. That only leaves a handful of bad seasons. Cry babies all.

The correlation between being successful, and having an elite QB, is staggering. I grew up with a handful of great QBs. Now, half the teams have very good, or better, QBs. And good young QBs are coming out in droves.

(And before anyone goes there. There have always been colleges for guys who wanted to throw the ball trying to get the attention of the NFL that way. No matter what decade you played. If you could throw the ball, the NFL had a place for you.)

Cam is still going to be head and sholders better than any of them. Been waiting my whole life to say that. Never thought I would.

As for the Lions? Stafford has made them relavent. Coinky dinky? I think not.

Hence the GOOOOOOO CATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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THe problem is little about your post is true at all. For starters Delhomme was going to make all the money we had to pay him in 2010 already so we cut him and still had to pay him which was totally stupid. The reason we cut him was so the players who were loyal to him wouldn't back him versus Moore and Clausen and Fox who didn't favor rookies couldn't play him. Whether he played or not he would have been a great mentor to Moore and Clausen. And as bad as he played it wasn't worse than Moore or Clausen. Ever consider that not having Jake to lean on was one of the reasons Moore did so well in 2009 and suddenly was awful in 2010 without him???

Your whole argument just shows why companies and businesses spend millions for media specialists who spin great stories that you just regurgitated in great revisionistic history manner. The problem is that little of it is true at all.

Grasping at straws are we?

So, it is perfectly all right for you to spin history to fit your arguement, but it is a problem when others put their own spin to it?

JR has proven innumeous times the quality of person, and owner, he is. The lock-out debacle aside, you would be hard pressed to find anyone with a bad word to say about him.

So if your animosity is for that reason only. I find it short sighted and rather worrysome. JR has publicly apologized for how he handled that situation, saying he may have over reacted to empending events. If that is not good enough for you, then rant away. But the vast majority are behind the Big Cat, and I don't believe you are going to change that in the slightest.

JR may not be the best owner. But if he is not, he is close. And the only ones who don't think so, are the ones who took Lock-Out Gate a little too personally.

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Grasping at straws are we?

So, it is perfectly all right for you to spin history to fit your arguement, but it is a problem when others put their own spin to it?

JR has proven innumeous times the quality of person, and owner, he is. The lock-out debacle aside, you would be hard pressed to find anyone with a bad word to say about him.

So if your animosity is for that reason only. I find it short sighted and rather worrysome. JR has publicly apologized for how he handled that situation, saying he may have over reacted to empending events. If that is not good enough for you, then rant away. But the vast majority are behind the Big Cat, and I don't believe you are going to change that in the slightest.

JR may not be the best owner. But if he is not, he is close. And the only ones who don't think so, are the ones who took Lock-Out Gate a little too personally.

The difference is that I am not grasping at straws at all but telling the reality of what happened. I am a PSL owner and Panther fan through and through. The difference is that I don't have to look at the whole picture through Carolina Electric Blue shades to be a fan and I can readily see where our flaws are unlike you apparently.

I have already posted that I think JR has done some great things and can be very thoughtful and considerate. I am not mad at him for what he did in 2010 as I know everyone makes mistakes. I am not sugarcoating it or forgetting it either. I support JR as the owner of the Panthers and want him and the team to succeed wonderfully. I don't have an all or nothing attitude here and don't have animosity towards him as an owner or a person. I just don't think he is close to the best owner nor do I think we are close to the best managed team or franchise. Doesn't mean I don't support him or the team. I accept the Panthers as my hometown team with all the warts and issues. I can love something and not have to idealize it.

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