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Putting our Backfield in Perspective (stats included)

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#25 CRA

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 08:14 PM

New Guy, I absolutely no way shape or firm am I expecting all 3 RB's to replicate those #'s... Can they? Absolutely they can if used properly in our system.

Please show me where I mashed up all of their stats and said I guarantee they can do thus again this year...
Don't worry I'll wait

CRA... We agreed the whole time then. Do you think I expect all 3 backs to have 180+ touches? That'd be crazy... BUT they could* that's my point. That they are capable of these #'s if necesary.


I guess my only point is....the offense goes through Cam. In Fox's old system, if he could pull of those numbers he would.

Cam IMO will take about 1/3 of the carries again this year. Just too easy. On top of that, he wants to win more than anyone....so considering he touches the ball every play he will continue to get his. I expect all 3 to split close to what the 2 RBs did last year (slightly more but nothing dramatic)

People can worry all they want about Cam...but running is part of what makes his game.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 08:31 PM

i'm expecting the offense to stay on the field longer.

i'm expecting us to throw the ball slightly less than last year, just more efficiently. but i'm also anticipating us running the ball a bit more than we did last year. i think we can pull off about 500 passing attempts (compared to 519 last year) and about 500 rushes (compared to 445 last year). those 500 rushes, aside from the few end arounds and other assorted "carries" will pretty much be spread out between williams, stewart, newton and tolbert. i'm not going to guess about the distribution between the guys except that williams will probably get the most then stewart, then newton and then tolbert. we got 5.4 yards per carry last year and i think we can actually increase that a little up to an even 5.5 ypc. if that is the case then that gets us to 2750 yards on the season which, given the talent we have, is pretty reasonable even if it would be better than any team last year.

as far as TDs...we led the league with 26 rushing TDs last year and i think we can do better than that. 30 rushing TDs is not at all unreasonable divided among those 4 ball carriers.

like i said i'm also expecting the passing game to be more efficient and that we'll see less INTs and a few more TDs thrown...maybe around 25 or as high as 30 (though that's probably on the high side of things). i can seriously see us pushing 60 offensive TDs next year. as green and ill-prepared as we were last year we scored 47 offensive TDs and i think with a year under their belts and a full offseason to prepare there's little reason to think they couldn't best that number by 5+ TDs.

i think there is a huge benefit to having the run game that we have in addition to the killer passing game that is going to be growing with cam. it makes this offense essentially unstoppable. defenses try to shut down the passing game and it only unleashes hell on the ground. if they try and contain the running game and they've invited a cam newton led blitzkrieg. who wouldn't want that? who wouldn't hate trying to stop that?

while the league is trying to copy what the patriots and Saints* have been doing, we are going to be taking that to another level and making something new that in the future other teams will be trying to duplicate.

screw trying to copy what other teams do. create something that other teams will want to do.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 08:36 PM

Carolina was 23rd in pass attempts in 2011. You think we throw less in 2012?

SD is in the top 10 every year in pass attempts. Chud's one good year in Clev they were 12th.

It is a passing offense. Cam is going to continue to take a nice chunk of the rushing which IMO is the main reason our attempts were down. Ball is going to be in Newton's hands one way or the other......and it should.

But I agree we try to carve our own path....Cam isn't Brady. But to line up and pound RBs doesn't put Cam in the best situations to be the game changer he is

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 08:46 PM

there are not nearly enough touches to go around. If everybody breaks out then nobody is making the pro bowl lol.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 08:54 PM

Will you guys stop talking about touches!? It's not about touches at all. It's about our a offense being so balanced and scary that they won't need all of those touches to reach the yardage! And even if they can't match those #'s due to stacking the box... Cam torches them.

Kapeesh!?

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 08:56 PM

Our offense will be even more explosive and unpredictable this year.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 09:04 PM

this isn't cleveland's offense. this isn't san diego's offense. it's based on it, but it's also based on what other teams have done with cam. this won't be a passing offense. it will be a balanced offense. that's what it's geared for. it's built around the strength of this team, which is cam's arm and the run game.

looking at it, maybe we will throw the ball a little more than last year. i don't think the separation between the number of carries and the number of passing attempts will be that great. maybe as much as 50 attempts, but not much more than that. i don't see us throwing much more than 550 times nor do i think we'll need to.

yes, it does need to be in newton's hands the most, but he's the QB. he doesn't need to have the lions share of rushing attempts nor should he. it's just not necessary for that to happen for us to still be among the best in the league. the threat of him running always needs to be there to keep defenses honest and to open things up for the other guys, but he doesn't need to keep doing it over and over for that threat to be there.

we'll be running a lot more option than last year and for it to be effective, to make newton more effective, that ball has to get into other carriers hands with frequency. defenses are going to have a spy on newton as it is. if newton is keeping the ball anywhere close to the majority of the time then the safe bet is always to follow newton. the more we use the other ball carriers, the more dangerous and effective newton becomes each time he does keep the ball.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 09:07 PM

You can't explain anything logically to some of these folks Rayzor... They don't seem to get it. Post some bewbies and drop a one liner like... Ohhh weeee mayne, our offense gots mad swag" and then you'll have folks that understand.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 09:18 PM

this isn't cleveland's offense. this isn't san diego's offense. it's based on it, but it's also based on what other teams have done with cam. this won't be a passing offense. it will be a balanced offense. that's what it's geared for. it's built around the strength of this team, which is cam's arm and the run game.

looking at it, maybe we will throw the ball a little more than last year. i don't think the separation between the number of carries and the number of passing attempts will be that great. maybe as much as 50 attempts, but not much more than that. i don't see us throwing much more than 550 times nor do i think we'll need to.

yes, it does need to be in newton's hands the most, but he's the QB. he doesn't need to have the lions share of rushing attempts nor should he. it's just not necessary for that to happen for us to still be among the best in the league. the threat of him running always needs to be there to keep defenses honest and to open things up for the other guys, but he doesn't need to keep doing it over and over for that threat to be there.

we'll be running a lot more option than last year and for it to be effective, to make newton more effective, that ball has to get into other carriers hands with frequency. defenses are going to have a spy on newton as it is. if newton is keeping the ball anywhere close to the majority of the time then the safe bet is always to follow newton. the more we use the other ball carriers, the more dangerous and effective newton becomes each time he does keep the ball.


I fully acknowledged the pass attempts were down and will remain it (compared to the offenses ours is based off of).....but that will be bc Cam is running.

All I am saying is we aren't going to line up these 3 RBs and pound them all game like is often suggested do to the talent we happen to have. We will run (have to and should with backs) I don't expect the RBs rushing attempts to drastically change. We didn't line up and pound it last year and won't this year. It isn't what the offense is based on.....nor does it put out QB in position to maximize his talents.

never implied Newton will have the majority of our rush attempts....only that he will hover around 1/3 of them, again. It is what makes his overall game work. He needs to run for one reason.....it is highly effective and was the best part of the running attack last year.



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Posted 31 July 2012 - 09:35 PM

I fully acknowledged the pass attempts were down and will remain it (compared to the offenses ours is based off of).....but that will be bc Cam is running.

All I am saying is we aren't going to line up these 3 RBs and pound them all game like is often suggested do to the talent we happen to have. We will run (have to and should with backs) I don't expect the RBs rushing attempts to drastically change. We didn't line up and pound it last year and won't this year. It isn't what the offense is based on.....nor does it put out QB in position to maximize his talents.

never implied Newton will have the majority of our rush attempts....only that he will hover around 1/3 of them, again. It is what makes his overall game work.

i never said or implied that all three would be back there. we'll have just one back there much of the time, but we'll also have a couple back there often as well...the other being tolbert who may end up being on the field as much as williams and stewart, maybe more.

when i said the majority of rushing attempts, what i meant was what you were essentially saying, that he would have more than the other RBs (individually). i just don't see that happening. i think williams will still have the most carries. the pecking order in carries among RBs beyond that will be stewart and tolbert and i see newton getting somewhere between stewart and tolbert and i don't think that takes really anything away from his game or his effectiveness, rather i think it fits the teams strengths as a whole. newton will be carrying the team on his back enough without having him carry the ball more than any one player.

now when the game is on the line, i fully expect him to be the one carrying the ball more than others, but i see those situations as being limited. creating a balance in the run game between all the ball carriers just makes too much sense because we have so much talent there.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 10:10 PM

i never said or implied that all three would be back there. we'll have just one back there much of the time, but we'll also have a couple back there often as well...the other being tolbert who may end up being on the field as much as williams and stewart, maybe more.

when i said the majority of rushing attempts, what i meant was what you were essentially saying, that he would have more than the other RBs (individually). i just don't see that happening. i think williams will still have the most carries. the pecking order in carries among RBs beyond that will be stewart and tolbert and i see newton getting somewhere between stewart and tolbert and i don't think that takes really anything away from his game or his effectiveness, rather i think it fits the teams strengths as a whole. newton will be carrying the team on his back enough without having him carry the ball more than any one player.

now when the game is on the line, i fully expect him to be the one carrying the ball more than others, but i see those situations as being limited. creating a balance in the run game between all the ball carriers just makes too much sense because we have so much talent there.


Didn't mean to suggest you thought all the RBs would be on the field.....I am just suggesting the RBs aren't going to be the focus of the offense. Some are suggesting a shift back to that.

I don't think all 3 RBs will have more carries than Cam. Total touches > Cam's rushes? Maybe. Goes back to too many RBs, 1 ball.....and Cam having to get his share (regardless of what we think that should be).

But I am considering Tolbert a equal to Stewart/Williams. A RB. I believe he ws brought in to take a lot of reps ..I think Tolbert could have the 2nd most touches out of the 3 guys in the backfield

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 08:16 AM

I think the bulk of carries will be DWill. Stewart. Tolbert will be our fullback/screen guy. I think his rushes will come more within red zone and majority of his touches will come from receptions. Cam will still do his thing. I'm just saying the RBs Dwill and Stew will rush. Tolbert will receive. Cam will scramble. Is this realistic or no?