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GOP insider: Religion destroyed my party

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http://www.salon.com/2012/08/05/republicans_slouching_toward_theocracy/

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All of these gloomy obsequies of repentance having been observed, Gingrich gave a stirring example of why he is hands-down the best extemporaneous demagogue in contemporary America. Having purged his soul of all guilty transgressions, he turned his attention to the far graver sins bedeviling the American nation.[indent]
If we look at history from the mid-1960s, we’ve gone from a request for toleration to an imposition of intolerance. We’ve gone from a request to understand others to a determination to close down those who hold traditional values. I think that we need to be very aggressive and very direct. The degree to which the left is prepared to impose intolerance and to drive out of existence traditional religion is a mortal threat to our civilization and deserves to be taken head-on and described as what it is, which is the use of government to repress the American people against their own values.[/indent]
That is as good an example as any of cheap grace as practiced by seasoned statesmen like Gingrich—a bid for redemption turned on its head to provide a forum for one of the Republican Party’s favorite pastimes: taking opportunistic swipes at the dreaded liberal bogeyman. How quickly one forgets one’s own moral lapses when one can consider the manifold harms inflicted on our nation by godless leftists!

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Some more libertarian-leaning Republicans have in fact pushed back against the religious right. Former House majority leader Dick Armey expressed his profound distaste for the tactics of the religious right in 2006—from the safety of the sidelines—by blasting its leadership in unequivocal terms:[indent]
[James] Dobson and his gang of thugs are real nasty bullies. I pray devoutly every day, but being a Christian is no excuse for being stupid. There’s a high demagoguery coefficient to issues like prayer in schools. Demagoguery doesn’t work unless it’s dumb, shallow as water on a plate. These issues are easy for the intellectually lazy and can appeal to a large demographic. These issues become bigger than life, largely because they’re easy. There ain’t no thinking.[/indent]
...In September 2010 Armey took one step further in his reconciliation with the people he had called thugs and bullies when he announced that a GOP majority in Congress would again take up the abortion fight, which was only right and proper for those who held such a sincere moral conviction. When the Republicans duly won the House two months later, they did precisely that. State legislatures across the country followed suit: Ohio, Texas, and Virginia enacted the most severe abortion restrictions in any legislative session in memory. Suddenly Armey didn’t seem to have any problem with social issues preempting his economic agenda.

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But Rand’s philosophy found most of its adherents in the libertarian wing of the party, a group that overlaps with, but is certainly not identical to, the “business conservatives” who fund the bulk of the GOP’s activities. There has always been a strong strain of rugged individualism in America, and the GOP has cleverly managed to co-opt that spirit to its advantage. The problem is that Rand proclaimed at every opportunity that she was a militant atheist who felt nothing but contempt for Christianity as a religion of weaklings possessing a slave mentality. So how do Republican candidates manage to bamboozle what is perhaps the largest single bloc in their voting base, the religious fundamentalists, about this? Certainly the ignorance of many fundamentalist values voters about the wider world and the life of the mind goes some distance toward explaining the paradox: GOP candidates who enthuse over Rand at the same time as they thump their Bibles never have to explain this stark contradiction because most of their audience is blissfully unaware of who Ayn Rand was and what she advocated. But voters can to some extent be forgiven their ignorance, because politicians have grown so skillful at misdirecting them about their intentions.

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At the same religious forum where the GOP candidates confessed their sins, Bachmann went so far as to suggest that organized religion should keep its traditional legal privilege of tax exemption while being permitted to endorse political candidates from the pulpit. The fact that government prohibits express political advocacy is in her imagination muzzling preachers rather than just being a quid pro quo for tax-exempt status equivalent to that imposed on any 501(c)3 or 501(c)4 nonprofit organization. But for Bachmann and others of like mind, this is persecution of a kind that fuels their sense of victimhood and righteous indignation.
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Bullshit.

Sorry to be direct, but it saves time.

The Republicans have cynically used the extremely religious like a two-dollar banjo, and it's come back to smack them in the eye like a cheap overstressed string.

The whole thesis here about an unfortunate takeover by religious extremists as foreign invaders is complete nonsense. These were dimwitted masses, recruited cynically and intentionally by oligarchs, to serve as shock troops. Actually, more as cannon fodder.

The story of the last three or four decades is of the rich turning the US back into a two-tiered society not seen since the gilded age. How exactly they pulled this off amounts to details, in the scheme of things. In this case it involved duping millions of gullible voters into voting against their own self-interest, using centuries-old techniques having to do with religion and various other fantasies.

What you miss, or more likely willfully ignore, is that this is all that religion is, and all it ever was. It's a power play, used to convince people to let you continue to steal their stuff.

This is just a comment on a blog, but for a full treatment of this topic, see the following:

[url="http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/04/14/americas-peasant-mentality"]http://trueslant.com...asant-mentality[/url]
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You know you are a peasant when...

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You know you’re a peasant when you worship the very people who are right now, this minute, conning you and taking your poo. Whatever the master does, you’re on board. When you get frisky, he sticks a big cross in the middle of your village, and you spend the rest of your life praying to it with big googly eyes. Or he puts out newspapers full of innuendo about this or that faraway group and you immediately salute and rush off to join the hate squad. A good peasant is loyal, simpleminded, and full of misdirected anger. And that’s what we’ve got now, a lot of misdirected anger searching around for a non-target to mis-punish… can’t be mad at AIG, can’t be mad at Citi or Goldman Sachs. The real villains have to be the anti-AIG protesters! After all, those people [i]earned [/i]those bonuses! If ever there was a textbook case of peasant thinking, it’s struggling middle-class Americans burned up in defense of taxpayer-funded bonuses to millionaires.
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It usually destroys everything.

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[quote name='NanuqoftheNorth' timestamp='1344272547' post='1848302']
You know you are a peasent when...



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This also applies to democrats who worship government.

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4 posts in and "YOU GUYZ DO IT TOO!" defense pops in. Good job.

Quick, name someone here who "worships government". It would be helpful to show why you believe that person "worships government" instead of you just making something up.
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[quote name='cookinwithgas' timestamp='1344275605' post='1848384']
4 posts in and "YOU GUYZ DO IT TOO!" defense pops in. Good job.

Quick, name someone here who "worships government". It would be helpful to show why you believe that person "worships government" instead of you just making something up.
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Name someone here who worships the rich.

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Didn't read the article, but the amount that religion is being whored out by politicians is really disturbing.

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[quote name='Kurb' timestamp='1344302469' post='1849031']
Didn't read the article, but the amount that religion is being whored out by politicians is really disturbing.
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Hey man, if it gets the masses to vote for you, and said masses don't call you on your bullshit, why not?
This is used everywhere though, especially in recruiting. It works, sadly.

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This also applies to democrats who worship government.
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Never heard of this. Tell me more.

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Every Sunday we go down to the left wing of City Hall and pray that Republicans money is sent to us to abort babies.

Followed by a covered dish lunch.
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[quote name='cookinwithgas' timestamp='1344303954' post='1849072']
Every Sunday we go down to the left wing of City Hall and pray that Republicans money is sent to us to abort babies.

Followed by a covered dish lunch.
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I was responding to Nanuqofthenorth's backhanded insult that republicans are peasants who worship the rich. If that's true, then so is the claim that democrats are peasants who worship government. (In other words, Nanuqofthenorth's statement was not true. So you're whacking a strawman.)

But let's ignore the semantics of Nanuqofthenorth's claim. Just answer me this: do you want the government to do more?

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