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GOP insider: Religion destroyed my party

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The problem with your argument is that Republicans have consistently gone out of their way to say that the complete and utter imbalance of this nations wealth by a few is something that should be embraced because it means capitalism is working.

To me the opposite is true. A monetary philosophy is a means to an end, not the end itself. The end is a nation that grows, thrives, and allows people to get ahead - the American Dream. For a very long time now this has not been happening. For those of you that are down on welfare spending and more government, think about the idea that the reason these things are happening is not because "the government wants you to be dependent on them" which is an absurd statement, but because there is not enough money going around to promote all the things that need to happen to create more wealth - spending by the middle class. All that money is going to, let's say, Cayman Island and Swiss Bank accounts. And it's so bad that you will happily pull the voting lever for a guy who actually does that. Bain Capital is not an industry, It never made anything. It's only purpose in life was to buy companies and try to save them or liquidate them - whichever made it's investors more money, regardless of the effect on our economy. People got filthy rich(er) off of the legal maneuverings of a bunch of lawyers at the expense of the regular folks out there, the ones we need to have money to spend the most.

Republicans used to be blue collar thinking people but now they are motivated by two things, religion and the false idea that opportunity still exists for people willing to work hard.

Democratic voters have their issues as well, but "worshiping government" is not one of them. At least with government we have a shot at electing people that will screw us over. Companies - not so much.

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religion is much like a gun. both have amendment protection. both were such a big deal that our founding fathers thought they should be near the top of said amendments.

so have either of those changed? no.

WE have. i have seen the enemy and it is us.

much easier and popular to deride something than to have high expectations for your fellow man. everybody gets a trophy and principal reduction and such bro.

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Show me the flaws. This isn't even a hard one. You don't have to defend the labor theory of value or anything.

I want to learn. Put me in my place.

... republicans are peasants who worship the rich.

If that's true, then so is the claim that democrats are peasants who worship government.

How does the validity of the first statement make the second statement true?

There is no logic in your assertion.

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newsflash. we have nearly 315 MILLION individuals. we are NOT homogenized. therefore you have a myriad of views and ideals and that is just nearly impossible to put a bow on.

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The view that only government can keep the wealthy from cannibalizing the lower classes, so government ought to be grown and made a force to be feared, keeping the wealthy in their place. Much like the truly pious believe that only an omnipotent God is capable of keeping men from killing each other.

I'm sorry, but what else has kept the wealthy in their place? Asking politely?

There are a few ways to equalize the playing field, and government intervention is the only one that does not involve violence. Corporations sure depend on government to defend against transgressions from other corporations, but they can afford to buy what they need from it.

Our government was created so that everyone has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. "The economy" is a means to that end, not the end itself. It can and should be controlled for the betterment of the nation, not just the elite few. but the rich have rigged the system so completely that it is going to take some government action to correct it - and when I say correct it, I mean just that. We've done it before as needed in both directions, now it is certainly time to get it back on the workers side.

And I say this as a person who has worked hard and am pretty satisfied with where I am in life, so my outlook on this is not really self serving, it's truly heartfelt and the idea that the middle class must be restored so people can once again be able to dream is critical to the success of the nation.

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Neither of the last two nominees (Mccain and Romney) were favorites of the religious right.

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and neither won

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Neither of the last two nominees (Mccain and Romney) were favorites of the religious right.

They were/are, in comparison to their Democratic opponents.

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I was responding to Nanuqofthenorth's backhanded insult that republicans are peasants who worship the rich. If that's true, then so is the claim that democrats are peasants who worship government. (In other words, Nanuqofthenorth's statement was not true. So you're whacking a strawman.)

Sorry I offended your feelings King.

Really thought someone reading a thread entitled: "GOP Insider: Religion Destroyed My Party" would have realized that the comments were not all going to be flattering to the religious types or the Republican Party.

Obviously I am critical of people that base their political decisions primarily on religious faith. It is a fair criticism in my opinion. You clearly don't agree, so what? Don't agree, no skin off my nose.

If you are upset that I pointed out your flawed attempt at logic, I'm sorry, but it was flawed.

BTW: I am not a Democrat. I also voted for President Reagan and Jesse Helms because I thought we were on the wrong course in the late 70s. I am well versed in economic theory and the fallacy that is Supply Side Economics.

I honestly think 30 years is a long enough time to give it a chance to work.

Lack of regulation caused the Great Depression and deregulation caused the greatest world financial collapse since then, just four years ago.

Years of relative economic stability in between those two events proves regulation works. Quite a few highly esteemed economists of today and those during the Great Depression that implemented the Glass Steagall Act and other regulations agree with me.

They must have known what they were doing because we experienced 70 years of relative economic stability that kept the financial industry from running our economy off the rails.

Yet there are still some that will tell you less regulation of industry is the answer today. As if the two largest financial meltdowns in the last one hundred years never happened.

The leaders of multinational corporations have sufficiently demonstrated time and again they do not have the best interests of the United States or the American Public at heart, nor should they. That is where government comes in.

IBG/YBG. Bonuses and short term stock gains are the driving forces in corporations today and that is not a healthy approach for the long term stability of the American Economy.

Sorry, all indications are that Industry works best when it is properly regulated and by extension the federal government has an important role to play in our economy.

No, I don't worship at the government alter but I do recognize the valuable role government plays in our daily lives.

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and neither won

Well one of them hasn't actually had the election yet. :)

Mccain lost, not because of the religious right, but because he had the misfortune of running after GWB. No republican could have won in 2008.

IMO, religion influences the primary elections a lot more than it does the november election.

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