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#1 stirs

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:22 AM

What is yours?

http://dailycaller.c...rkers-pensions/


If someone comes riding into town on a "hope and change" horse to much fanfair, does it not disillusion some that the country has been divided up into smaller and smaller groups, all pitted against one another.

Can the government shut down your business, take your pensions, force you to buy products and services, etc., all because you support their political rivals?

I can remember dirty politics for years from each side, but never saw it in shoe leather to the point I do today. If you disagree with the administration, you will be targeted, investigated, shut down, vilified publicly. Nobody can compete with the funds available at the federal level to defend your business or name.

Just seems like a huge jump in the last 4 years from the "hope and change" mantra.

This is the stuff you read about from other countries, not so much here.



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Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:35 AM

Also, with almost half the country on some sort of government assistance, and more being signed up each day from food stamps to unemployment pay to disability, what do you think will happen with the coming austerity measures that almost certainly will take place?

Will the gov look at your voting affiliation, donations to political or charitable organizations and use this as a tool to cut off your funds, healthcare, retirement, etc? The more liberty each of us give up by letting the country head toward this financial abyss, the more shackled we will become.



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Posted 07 August 2012 - 11:29 AM

Also, with almost half the country on some sort of government assistance, and more being signed up each day from food stamps to unemployment pay to disability


I gotta call bullshit on that one.

This reeks of simple minded, republican email data that gets passed to me by my racist father in law and never holds up to any scant amount of scrutiny.

Please show us some sort of statistical data that would even remotely backup your claim that "almost half the country on some sort of government assistance"

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 11:50 AM

http://economix.blog...ent-assistance/

NY Times wrote something around the first of the year which leaves out "elderly", disability, and many, many other "assistance" programs from the government. We just changed the welfare/work back to just welfare, so I don't see it getting better. With the gov spending cash to advertise and sign up more people on food stamps, record numbers signing up for disability(cannot figure that one out), the numbers will continue to rise.

The point is, that the more people that become dependant on government, the more they can pull all the strings. They can rule your life more and take away the freedoms you used to enjoy, all with the threat of taking away your government teet. Not to mention the grasp they will keep on power

If I have time later, will try to get you more info. I have heard the number is as high as 48%, will try to find a more comprehensive list.


Here is one that mentions 48.5%, with over 46% not paying any taxes.
http://blogs.wsj.com...rnment-benefit/

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 12:30 PM

In the old days mining towns paid thier employees with currencies that was printed by the mining companies. That way if the employees needed something they bought it from stores in the town that were owned by that company. mainly because no body else could take your money on account that it was worthless to them. room boarding and any and all provisions came from the employer. There was no outside competition or choice for that matter. Employees were technically slaves to the employers. Now if you're into controlling lives this is ingenius. So, I would not be surprised if this is a path to facism that we are currently strolling upon. Collapse the currency and unionize the states is probably appealing to most in positions of power. Bet they all yearn for the good old days again!

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 12:44 PM

"I owe my soul to the company store"

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 01:04 PM

Good ol' fascist US of A! The merger of state and corporate powers...gotta love it.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 01:43 PM

That can't be true.

I think the trick is in how they define "some government benefits"

You really expect me to believe that nearly 10% of all households of people with a doctorate are on welfare?

More likely they recieved a tax credit for installing an energy efficient HVAC system, thusly qualifying them for the "some government benefits" category.

That said, you are 100% correct.
The government will seek to use any tools availabe to them to control the populace, and if you can pull someones home and food away from them... there is no better tool.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 01:46 PM

When it comes from left leaning NYT and right leaning WSJ, then what do you do?

We are giving up our liberties each days in the name of assistance. Very soon, the threat of loss of assistance will determine elections. Like the one coming up. When Romney or Ryan or Portman or whomever talk of cuts in government spending, you know what will happen.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 04:25 PM

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism

By Dr. Lawrence Britt
Source Free Inquiry.co
5-28-3

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Now I ask you, which political party best reflects this list of characteristics common to Fascist Regimes?

http://rense.com/general37/char.htm

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 04:59 PM

When it comes from left leaning NYT and right leaning WSJ, then what do you do?

We are giving up our liberties each days in the name of assistance. Very soon, the threat of loss of assistance will determine elections. Like the one coming up. When Romney or Ryan or Portman or whomever talk of cuts in government spending, you know what will happen.


Quoting website blogs as credible sources of unbiased information is like calling the Rug Doctor a highly respected physician.

Since when are Social Security and Medicare "benefits" when they were paid into by the recipient to begin with?

And I'm also thinking you believe my military retirement pension is also a "benefit," correct?

What I find particularly discouraging is you seem to be fairly intelligent and yet as gullible as a marathon is long. Start thinking for yourself and stop listening to what I'm sure you know are pure fabrications and falsehoods.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 06:35 PM

speaking of fascism, i just came across the article from a few months ago and didn't want to create a new thread for an old article

http://www.myfoxchic...ts-anti-racists

It now appears that a vicious brawl at a south suburban restaurant on Saturday involved hammer-wielding "anti-fascists" attacking a group of self-professed "white nationalists."
The attack occurred at 12:45 p.m. Saturday, according to Tinley Park police. Ten were injured, with three taken to local hospitals. Among innocent bystanders terrified by the bizarre explosion of violence were several dozen women there for a wedding shower.


The white supremacists had apparently posted on one or more of their websites that they planned to have lunch at the Ashford House restaurant, 7959 W. 159th St, Tinley Park. Their internet postings refer to a "5th Annual White Nationalist Economic Summit." Not clear is whether they chose this weekend and this suburban Chicago location as some sort of response to the NATO Summit in Chicago.
The "anti-fascists" boasted of the violent attack on their own website, promising more to come. The first of four key unity principles cited on the website states: "Whenever fascists are active or organizing in public, we're there. We don't believe in ignoring them or staying away from them. Never let the Nazis have the street."


tl;dr a bunch of anti-fascists heard (by way of stormfront) that neo-nazis would be having a little get together so they beat the poo out of them

also what the fug could they possibly have to discuss at the "5th Annual White Nationalist Economic Summit"

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 07:22 PM

Quoting website blogs as credible sources of unbiased information is like calling the Rug Doctor a highly respected physician.

Since when are Social Security and Medicare "benefits" when they were paid into by the recipient to begin with?

And I'm also thinking you believe my military retirement pension is also a "benefit," correct?

What I find particularly discouraging is you seem to be fairly intelligent and yet as gullible as a marathon is long. Start thinking for yourself and stop listening to what I'm sure you know are pure fabrications and falsehoods.


Every post by every person here is generally because of news stories. We do not sit around and just talk philosophically without something to get the ball rolling. Now, I understand that the media on both sides tries to fashion public opinion with their stories.

I will also tell you that I believe that if the government can get more and more citizens relying on them for their daily existence, we will be in a heck of a mess. They can pull your strings like puppeteers just because they control the purse strings.

I respect anyone who has been in the military, but I will say this. I think most government programs pay out too much and let you retire too early. I know guys that retired from the military, got another job and retired from it also.

All government pensions in my opinion need to be looked at. The only one I would be in favor of being early would be the military. The rest are at no great risk and therefore should not have extraordinary benefits when it is the peoples money.

And by the way, what are your "approved" news sources? I did not say that I took the ones listed as gospel, but was just commenting on them, one from the left and one from the right.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 09:08 PM

Actually, the vast majority of military people I served with would prefer a privatized retirement plan along the lines of a 401k. I don't know what the mindset is now, some 19 years after my retirement. Military people retiring now with the same length of service I had are getting 10% less.

Think of how much could be saved if the military retirement system was privatized.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 09:07 AM

That can't be true.

I think the trick is in how they define "some government benefits"

You really expect me to believe that nearly 10% of all households of people with a doctorate are on welfare?

More likely they recieved a tax credit for installing an energy efficient HVAC system, thusly qualifying them for the "some government benefits" category.

That said, you are 100% correct.
The government will seek to use any tools availabe to them to control the populace, and if you can pull someones home and food away from them... there is no better tool.


http://www.washingto...-us-immigrants/

The old saying was "people vote their pocketbooks". This was true when folks had jobs and needed jobs to support their families. Now that goverment makes it easier and easier to get assistance--80 different welfare programs--the same holds true, but not because of jobs.

I guarantee you that elections will now be swinging on who might "cut off" my assistance. No wonder the left wants to make it easier to sign up for welfare, disability, etc.

Remember this quote:

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.


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