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#151 Johnny Kilroy

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 07:58 AM

Yes I can say the past is different from the present unless you believe that people can't and don't change. That goes against everything I believe in. And again inconsistent play in the past has nothing to do with how a guy plays in the future just like if you saw Aaron Rodgers in his third season when he didn't play at all you would be able to assume he will never amount to anything and would never have a passer rating of 122 a few years later. For that matter his first year of starting full-time has little to do with how he did last year.

Players get better or they don't play, lets see what happens.


So going back to my original question, it seems like you still believe Clausen can make it in this league. Especially considering we've seen less of him on the field than Captain.

Captain is more of a proven commodity and you should know what you are getting out of him. (And I am in no way saying I think Jimmy will be a starting QB, just using your logic/optimism)

And don't compare him to Rodgers who didn't play. He was playing behind Favre. Munnerlyn has seen the field and we've seen what he could do. He hasn't seen competition and that is why he is getting the default nod.


Captain is not a good CB...to suggest he's EVER played anything other than the slot passably is ridiculous. He didn't play well in 2010 when Gamble was benched, he didn't play well in 2011 (his only "good game" had nothing to do with his actual coverage, a good stripped fumble and ST play made the Minnesota game his only positive contribution to the 2011 season).

His biggest handicap isn't even his size, it's his inability to track and stick with WRs past 10 yards. That's why he's decent covering the slot guy, where his area of responsibility is limited. Any time he's tried to cover an outside WR he gets killed on moves, speed, height, everything an outside WR is supposed to do. He gets abused. He gets turned around, lost and confused. He's an excellent special teams guy, one of the best we have at running down a PR or KR and will have a spot on the team for a long time for that. But if he's our starting #2, LT in his prime, JP, Jared Allen, Demarcus Ware, Warren Sapp and John Randall couldn't make up for how badly he'll get exploited again.


Exactly. It's not his size, he's just not that good. Place him in the slot where he isn't as isolated.

Although, really he is a physical CB so not sure why his size would be a problem. You'd think since he was smaller he'd be quicker and stay with people, but that isn't the case.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 08:13 AM

So going back to my original question, it seems like you still believe Clausen can make it in this league. Especially considering we've seen less of him on the field than Captain.

Captain is more of a proven commodity and you should know what you are getting out of him. (And I am in no way saying I think Jimmy will be a starting QB, just using your logic/optimism)

And don't compare him to Rodgers who didn't play. He was playing behind Favre. Munnerlyn has seen the field and we've seen what he could do. He hasn't seen competition and that is why he is getting the default nod.


Look I understand the old he has played before and we know what he can do routine. And frankly I am not convinced he is starter material or will make a good number 2 starter. At this point we are going into our first preseason game and nobody knows what he will do or won't do.

I am just saying that it is premature to write him off and make pejorative proclamations of his ability based on past performance. He may struggle going forward or may be much improved. I am just pointing out that there is a rich history of players in the NFL who have struggled their first few years only to emerge down the road. Whether he is one of those players or not remains to be seen.

I honestly don't know why any fan of the team wouldn't want to be optimistic and hopeful particularly before the season even started.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:57 AM

please do.
While you are at it, provide their height, weight, and link. Let see it.

Take your time, the huddle will wait.

i didnt say that because of size, but because of talent.Gamble is the only good CB on this team. with captain you know what you are going to get, a short, slow, aggressive CB that teams picked on last year.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 11:25 AM

Godfrey was rated worse than Martin per PFF.....

With no pass rush and no coverage....why would teams look to push things and gamble throwing at Gamble? Throwing at Capt was smart....but his supporting cast aided in him being an easy target. He isn't great.... But better than the garbage some suggest


We can make excuses. But I hope he can perform. But it may just be he is outmatched as a #2 CB.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 11:30 AM

We can make excuses. But I hope he can perform. But it may just be he is outmatched as a #2 CB.


I am not arguing his size doesn't make him out matched out there......only that heading into week 1 he could be the best option

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 11:35 AM

Keep Gamble, Nakamura, and Norman

Other than these 3 this secondary needs a total makeover really...but obviously this would have to wait.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 03:48 PM

First of all, apparently you failed 5th grade English because you can't proofread for poo, so don't start trying to spell things out for people logically.

Second, plenty of teams in recent history have turned it around with a new head coach in a year, so it's not unreasonable to have expectations, but that's beside the point. I'm not harping at how Rivera builds a team with the resources he's given by Hurney. That said, yes, they have a "plan", but every coach and GM in the league has their own unique plan, and because of the fact that this league is obviously structured as a competition, some plans are better than others, and other plans are much better than others. Take a look at our record since 2009 and you'll see how well our plan has been doing.

Whether most people care to admit or not because the pollyanna patrol on this board gets suffocating at times, Captain Munnerlyn wouldn't have convinced most other franchises to simply ignore attempting to strengthen the competition at corner, let alone make an upgrade, until the 5th round of the draft. His performance last year was beyond abysmal. You can blame it on the defense, you can blame it on Gamble playing well (really?), you can blame it on the theory that it takes 5 years to build a contender team, but this is the kind of excuse making I've gotten used to on this board. In contrast, Devin McCourty had a horrible 2011 campaign and is immersed in competition. He's not competing with a bunch of injured guys and camp fodder for the no.2 Corner spot like Captain is.

As for the rest of your post, it's clear you're a guy who simply supports the status quo of a team no matter what decision they make. It's okay to simply be that guy if you flat out admit you're here to do that. But trying to rationalize it without doing the proper fact-checking, and expressing it in the most basic, half-assed fashion makes you out to be a guy who's told himself 1000 times in his head that every decision they make is right so that they believe it. Your ilk argues, poorly, about how things will work out and then when it doesn't, in true panther homer fashion, you blame it on something intangible so that no accountability is distributed and everybody still looks good. By doing such you're conditioning your mind to believe stupid poo like Hurney is a top 5 General Manager, the Delhomme extension wasn't a colossal failure, Jeff Otah wasn't a bust, and so on.

It's getting clearer and clearer to me that this forum isn't a place for debate among informed football fans. It's more like a place where you post a tits gif in lieu of any analysis whatsoever in the panthers section so 18 people can pie you, or show off your chincy panthers tattoo that you got inked on your pale calf that doesn't see sunlight unless you make your walk to the grocery store, or proclaim that this is the year Godfrey breaks out I swear he will and I've got nothing to back this up but if you disagree with me I will respond aggressively while not doing a lick of research so you have to agree with me.

...And I'd bet that you'd prefer this place be a hotbed for deluded homerism and hotlinks to softcore tumblr porn, instead of an objective haven for Panther fans who don't think they need to overrate every single entity dwelling within this franchise to support their team.

Also I love how you made the same argument about completion percentage increasing passing yards, to which I previously countered with a slew of articles and analysis of play selection that contradicted the bullshit you were spewing that shut you up, so you wait until now to reference it again. Here, again, so that iamhubby looks like a moron, is an article which tells you there's a slew of factors contributing to the increase in passing yards and, what do you know if you do the math in pass attempts in the last 25 years you'll see they've gone up.

you see guys? We're only in year 2! It takes 5,431,093 years to build a competitive team! PATIENCE PEOPLE!

Now here's some gay extended metaphor about how we're cooking up a defense like it's the fuging French Chef with Julia Child and not the NFL. Hey why don't we add some pepper up our players' asses to this recipe while we're at it? Ron certainly did today when he bitched the team out for half-assing practice.

iamhubby, over and out


All that for me? Cool.

So, let me get the gist of this. Some plans are good, some better, some even better yet. Got it.

The reason our team has seen little success since 2009 can be summed up in three words. No franchise QB.

As for this entire bolded paragraph? What the hell does that even mean?

Thanks for the free session Doc. Just because I don't go all Rambo, means I am ill informed, and half-assed? Got cha.

So... because no one plays by your rules, the whole Huddle is lazy, pale-calfed, tatoo wearing adolesence? You go boy.

Even in a haven such as the Huddle, I am sure there is always room for softcore tumblr porn.

Sorry that you find it difficult to believe that the number of passes per game has remained relatively flat over the past 15 years or so. So if the yards are up?... True story bro.

Sarcasm, gay reference, anal penetration. Wow, you sure get mad when folks don't play the right way.

Lastly. In all that diatribe you threw out. Where were the suggestions? Did I miss where you told me how things should be? Or how you would fix the mess we are in? Surely you are flush with ideas? If you want a semi-intelligent conversation at 3-4 in the morning... Maybe you should cherry pick some one else. Cuz I seem to be missing the point on your end.

Guys have sophmore slumps, even bad years. Not every bad year is a precursor to disaster. Yeah, overreacting is much better than being a homer. Oh wait. It is pretty much the same thing. Cool

Matin had a pretty good rookie year. Last year, not so much. So it is 50/50 where he goes from here.

Godfrey is solid, can be good if he can stay in position.

Edwards has proven to be a capable NT. One year off will not have a noticable affect on his game.

McClain, has shown flashes. Great for a second year player. He is ahead of schedule. It may be because of the playing time he got last year? Or maybe not.

This is the last year of Why Not? After this year it is going to be Damm Well Better. This is the beginning of a long and glorious journey. If you don't want to enjoy it. That is fine. That does not give you carte blanche to diminish other folks, and their giddy.

If anyone read all this. Thanks. It is mostly just a venting of pent up anxiety over the impending season, and in particular, this Sat. That, and to keep MLP busy.

My giddy says Why Not? And GOOOOOO CAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 06:18 PM

As long as Sherrod Martin isn't on the field, our defense will be improved over last year. Besides... Captain hasn't won out yet and our front seven won't be as ineffective as last year either.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 06:50 PM

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 07:00 PM

All that for me? Cool.

So, let me get the gist of this. Some plans are good, some better, some even better yet. Got it.

(Congratulations, that's the first lesson of Competition 101.)

The reason our team has seen little success since 2009 can be summed up in three words. No franchise QB.

(....or it can be summed up in something more accurate, like roster dumping without upgrading or replacing starters, making bad trades that yielded no return, letting a lame duck coach go through the motions for an entire season because you're too polite or cheap (or both) as an owner to fire him when you should have, etc. I mean there's more but the fact that we had our franchise QB in 2011 and still didn't meet success directly contradicts your "three word summation", so unless you attended the Mike Florio school of throwing poo at the wall with no proof or sources I don't know where you came up with that conclusion.)

As for this entire bolded paragraph? What the hell does that even mean?

(It simply means that while you and people like you are busy conjuring up a giant rubber band ball of excuses because you're too polite or afraid to make a critique of a player no matter how bad he plays, a Patriots fan isn't nearly as pathetic, and their Front Office promotes competition better than ours does.)


Thanks for the free session Doc. Just because I don't go all Rambo, means I am ill informed, and half-assed? Got cha.

(How many nonsensical logical fallacies are in this excerpt?)

So... because no one plays by your rules, the whole Huddle is lazy, pale-calfed, tatoo wearing adolesence? You go boy.

(Um, you haven't realized this up until now?)

Even in a haven such as the Huddle, I am sure there is always room for softcore tumblr porn.

(I'm pretty sure toning down the meaningless softcore porn at the expense of making all the sexually frustrated zilches on this forum miffed would make it more marketable for expansion for its administrators. In layman's terms, maybe Zod doesn't think it's in the best interest in a business sense that his forum is littered with posters spamming pictures of bouncing tits and asses if he wants more exposure for this site. The plebs on this board are lucky he's very lenient. Then again you wouldn't know anything about running a business since you sound like a guy who doesn't do anything more important than serving lobster rolls to senior citizens.)

Sorry that you find it difficult to believe that the number of passes per game has remained relatively flat over the past 15 years or so. So if the yards are up?... True story bro.

(Okay so for a rebuttal, um... sources? Is that it? That's how your logic works? Well it says you're from SC, so being that your home state is one of the worst in education I'm not surprised at your lack of any sort of grasp in data mining and research. You're an expert in freshman philosophy, though, I'll give you that.

And how is a 13 percent increase in passing attempts per team considered "relatively flat"? I'm going to step out on the ledge and suggest you don't know anything about statistics. When you're dealing with a sample size such as 100%, such as the pass attempts over the last 25 years of every single team, it sure as hell is significant. So is a 33% increase gross passing yards. Automatically you can attribute 13 of that figure to the increase in pass attempts. Yards per catch has also gone up, but that's attributable to a slew of factors. Completion percentage may have gone up in the last 25 years, but here's an article written in the middle of the last season that saw no deviation in completion percentage from 2010 and 2011. Still, even if completion percentage has gone up, these factors aren't mutually exclusive entities, and higher completion percentage may be more of a result of the rule changes, and increase in QB talent produced in college over the years. Also higher YAC by receivers would definitely contribute to a higher YPA, but the idea that it's increased is only a hypothesis.

See here's how a debate works. If you have a claim, you reference a source of information and let us know how you analyzed it. Going out on a whim that you think passing yards haven't gone up and blaming the increase solely in completion percentage is simply a narrow and poorly thought out analysis. So basically there's a few things you can do. You can admit you don't know what you're talking about, which I would do if I were stupid enough to be caught in your position, you can continue to spam the same claim that's already been refuted again and make yourself look like a belligerent idiot instead of just an idiot, you can argue that a 13% increase isn't significant in a 100% sample size which would also be wrong, or you can do some research and real analysis and construct a counter argument which supports your thesis which I know you are too incompetent to do. Or you can just keep mentioning your giddy as if it is the least bit insightful.
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Sarcasm, gay reference, anal penetration. Wow, you sure get mad when folks don't play the right way.

(Um, so was it me who quoted you first or the other way around? Was my objectivity putting cracks in the two pairs of electric blue shades you sport on a daily basis?)

Lastly. In all that diatribe you threw out. Where were the suggestions? Did I miss where you told me how things should be? Or how you would fix the mess we are in? Surely you are flush with ideas? If you want a semi-intelligent conversation at 3-4 in the morning... Maybe you should cherry pick some one else. Cuz I seem to be missing the point on your end.

(Solutions are implied, not spelled out for cretins like you who need a lucid explanation in simple English of something they don't agree with and aren't even willing to be swayed by lest their faith be compromised.)

Guys have sophmore slumps, even bad years.

(Just keep manufacturing excuses so you just don't have to face disappointment at all.)

Not every bad year is a precursor to disaster.

(Whoops never said that)

Yeah, overreacting is much better than being a homer. Oh wait. It is pretty much the same thing. Cool

(Your frustration is showing lol)

Matin had a pretty good rookie year. Last year, not so much. So it is 50/50 where he goes from here.

(Sherrod had 23 tackles his rookie year, he wasn't a full time starter yet.)

Godfrey is solid, can be good if he can stay in position.

(Godfrey was awful both this year and last year. He has yet to approach the reputation of a solid safety. Just because the Panthers gave him a ridiculous extension doesn't make him a good player.)

Edwards has proven to be a capable NT. One year off will not have a noticable affect on his game.

(Wow are you really counting on all these things to work out? Hope you've got your army of excuses lined up for when some, if not most of these claims aren't realized.)

McClain, has shown flashes. Great for a second year player. He is ahead of schedule. It may be because of the playing time he got last year? Or maybe not.

(On what metric of performance are you basing this? Your metric of low expectations? Alright, so all a rookie needs is to show flashes in the midst of abysmal performance for you to consider him ahead of schedule. You really set the bar high. Does he simply have to have a cognition above severe mental retardation for you to consider him a starter?)

This is the last year of Why Not? After this year it is going to be Damm Well Better.

(Oh wow so you're going to give another buffer year and then take the gloves off in 2013? Is this in sync with the misguided concept of the 5 year plan of team building you've adopted as truth?)

This is the beginning of a long and glorious journey. If you don't want to enjoy it. That is fine. That does not give you carte blanche to diminish other folks, and their giddy.

(I don't give a poo about anybody's giddy. I will diminish you as long as you continue to post your unabashed idiocy.)

If anyone read all this. Thanks. It is mostly just a venting of pent up anxiety over the impending season, and in particular, this Sat. That, and to keep MLP busy.

(The only reason anybody's going to read your post is when it's quoted by me while I'm ripping it to shreds. Enjoy.)

My giddy says Why Not? And GOOOOOO CAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(This is a nice roundup of the post of a simple minded mark of his team.)



#161 jtnc

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 07:06 PM

Munnerlyn covering Julio= domination.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 07:14 PM

Munnerlyn covering Julio= domination.


Agreed, i just watched the first two series of Atlanta's game and there offense looks good. Julio looks like he is gonna tear poo up this year.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 07:15 PM

Munnerlyn covering Julio= prepare your anus.


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 07:23 PM

came in to comment on capt on julio and see others already mentioned it. it would be terrible.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 07:25 PM

We really need to try and trade for a decent CB. Seriously.


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