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i don't buy the whole not drafting stewart if they knew what williams was capable of.

carolina has experimented with having a split backfield with davis/foster and foster/williams.

neither combination was really successful because davis was on the tail end of his career, and foster couldn't adapt to the role of playing the power back.

in came stewart, the rest is history.

I'm wouldn't doubt that they would used a split backfield regardless of their opinion on Williams. But I do doubt that it would've come in the form of a first round pick. Had they know Wiliams was a capable 1500 back, I think at most they would've drafted a back in the 2nd round.

Remember because they drafted Stewart, they had to trade a bit for Otah. I just don't see them trading those picks and using a first round pick RB just because they wanted a split backfield. That could've been accomplished with a lot less.

IMO the more logical a simpler explanation is they just didn't know what they had in Wiliiams.

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What I saw in 2007 was Williams being too timid and often getting hit behind the line taking everything outside and being afraid to run between the tackles. He had potential but to say that he was great and didn't justify drafting Stewart is going way overboard. Vinny criticized him for taking himself out of the game and not wanting the ball on every play. I guess you and CRA are so into revisionistic history you just forgot the reality of what happened.

No one liked the fact that Foster fumbled too much but it was because he was always trying to do too much which was not the case with Williams.

Timid RBs getting stopped behind the line don't generally average 5 yards.

he has averaged more negative yards per carry the last 2 seasons vs 2007.

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CRA,,,,,, Seriously????

Who are trying to convince? Me? Others??? Yourself??

Never been about the players with me. I love Stewart and said Carolina should let Williams walk. They signed Williams so then IMO Stewart should of walked or been traded.

And yes, I was done with John Fox when he refused to give DeAngelo the reps he deserved in 2007. His favoritism cost him ever since that season in Carolina. Painting me as a Williams hater just makes it easy on the let's pay the RBs a ton of money to watch Cam do his thing crowd. Never been true.

Acknowledging Williams is aging and a younger stud was one our roster was never Williams hate.....but I don't expect you to get that this far into it.

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Can't wait to draft Lattimore in the 1st next year

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Sorry cannonball and lightning were used to describe Williams. He hit lanes faster than I ever seen any Carolina RB hit them. Foster was the one that tip toed and danced. I would like to see a quote of D-Will saying he didnt give maximum effort to. Just not his style. Being humble is his style yeah, but not, not giving maximum effort.

http://www.aolnews.c...e-for-his-brea/

We had a lengthy conversation and everything he said to me made perfect sense," said Williams, Carolina's first-round pick in 2006. "From the film room down to work ethic and everything of that nature. He really left me with some things that really touched me and stayed on my heart, as you can tell from this season."

"Williams wouldn't reveal the exact details of the talk, and Testaverde couldn't be reached on Wednesday. But quarterback Jake Delhomme believes Williams has benefited greatly from the advice of the 21-year veteran who was well known for being in top condition and well prepared for every game. Last year, Vinny talked to DeAngelo about that, about, 'Hey, when you practice, run. Finish runs,' " Delhomme said. "Because Vinny had all those years and knew how to prepare. He was a tireless worker. He prepared extremely hard. I thought it was great that Vinny did that, because obviously, he saw something in DeAngelo.

This year after every running play at practice, Williams runs all the way to the end zone, no matter where on the field the play started from. Williams acknowledged he worked harder in the offseason and is in better condition. He's stronger, too, which has made him harder to tackle.

http://www.commercia...-deangelos-big/

Now try and read between the lines and tell me that Vinny didn't tell him to work harder and run harder. Stop while you are behind.

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Can't wait to draft Lattimore in the 1st next year

Heck yeah, in case one of the others gets hurt we will be ready to roll?

<Steve Smith chimes in, "Hey guys, remember years ago when I mentioned I was ready to take a backseat and not have the load of being the #1 on my shoulders anymore? You know when I acknowledged I can't keep this up and we need a plan?>

Hurney then goes, "I got diss, we sign Lattimore and then I'll draft another App St QB and turn him into WR...it will work this time".

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http://www.aolnews.c...e-for-his-brea/

We had a lengthy conversation and everything he said to me made perfect sense," said Williams, Carolina's first-round pick in 2006. "From the film room down to work ethic and everything of that nature. He really left me with some things that really touched me and stayed on my heart, as you can tell from this season."

"Williams wouldn't reveal the exact details of the talk, and Testaverde couldn't be reached on Wednesday. But quarterback Jake Delhomme believes Williams has benefited greatly from the advice of the 21-year veteran who was well known for being in top condition and well prepared for every game. Last year, Vinny talked to DeAngelo about that, about, 'Hey, when you practice, run. Finish runs,' " Delhomme said. "Because Vinny had all those years and knew how to prepare. He was a tireless worker. He prepared extremely hard. I thought it was great that Vinny did that, because obviously, he saw something in DeAngelo.

This year after every running play at practice, Williams runs all the way to the end zone, no matter where on the field the play started from. Williams acknowledged he worked harder in the offseason and is in better condition. He's stronger, too, which has made him harder to tackle.

http://www.commercia...-deangelos-big/

Now try and read between the lines and tell me that Vinny didn't tell him to work harder and run harder. Stop while you are behind.

In fairness, that isnt Williams saying he wasn't giving max effort....just willing to take advice on how to get better and change his routine.

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http://www.aolnews.c...e-for-his-brea/

We had a lengthy conversation and everything he said to me made perfect sense," said Williams, Carolina's first-round pick in 2006. "From the film room down to work ethic and everything of that nature. He really left me with some things that really touched me and stayed on my heart, as you can tell from this season."

"Williams wouldn't reveal the exact details of the talk, and Testaverde couldn't be reached on Wednesday. But quarterback Jake Delhomme believes Williams has benefited greatly from the advice of the 21-year veteran who was well known for being in top condition and well prepared for every game. Last year, Vinny talked to DeAngelo about that, about, 'Hey, when you practice, run. Finish runs,' " Delhomme said. "Because Vinny had all those years and knew how to prepare. He was a tireless worker. He prepared extremely hard. I thought it was great that Vinny did that, because obviously, he saw something in DeAngelo.

This year after every running play at practice, Williams runs all the way to the end zone, no matter where on the field the play started from. Williams acknowledged he worked harder in the offseason and is in better condition. He's stronger, too, which has made him harder to tackle.

http://www.commercia...-deangelos-big/

Now try and read between the lines and tell me that Vinny didn't tell him to work harder and run harder. Stop while you are behind.

Coach/Player speak. Vinny might have taught him some things/took him under his wing, but I don't believe for a second D-Will wasn't giving it what he had. I've had people help me out on job,and it was helpful, but I was still giving 100%. I would have said similar things.

I said D-Will was a different runner in 08. Lot more power, little less burst. But he was still was better than Foster in 07, and he sure wasn't timid. And he didn't get his yards because Foster wore out the defense. That is the only time I've ever heard yards contributed to player like that before.

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Timid RBs getting stopped behind the line don't generally average 5 yards.

he has averaged more negative yards per carry the last 2 seasons vs 2007.

Sure they do if they run for a 50 yard play around the end and then get stuffed for 3 plays behind the line and then average 3 yards per carry for the next 10 plays. Lets say the negative plays were for minus 3 yards a piece. So we have 14 plays for a total of 71 or a total of 5 yards per play.

As for the comparison to the past 2 years do you have stats to show that or did you make it up??

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Sure they do if they run for a 50 yard play around the end and then get stuffed for 3 plays behind the line and then average 3 yards per carry for the next 10 plays. Lets say the negative plays were for minus 3 yards a piece. So we have 14 plays for a total of 71 or a total of 5 yards per play.

As for the comparison to the past 2 years do you have stats to show that or did you make it up??

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7776/index.html

You have to do the math yourself. But there is a correction, for whatever reason his profile on SI doesn't have 2011. I just grabbed the last two years assuming it was 2011 and 2010 but that was comparing him to 2009, 2010.

2007 - lost 32 yards on 144 attempts

2010- lost 28 yards on 87 attempts

2009- lost 61 yards on 216 attempts

can't do last year unless you know another site that tracks it. can't believe SI doesn't have 2011

And yes, OL play and other things factor in to yards lost at time....

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In fairness, that isnt Williams saying he wasn't giving max effort....just willing to take advice on how to get better and change his routine.

Coach/Player speak. Vinny might have taught him some things/took him under his wing, but I don't believe for a second D-Will wasn't giving it what he had. I've had people help me out on job,and it was helpful, but I was still giving 100%. I would have said similar things.

I said D-Will was a different runner in 08. Lot more power, little less burst. But he was still was better than Foster in 07, and he sure wasn't timid. And he didn't get his yards because Foster wore out the defense. That is the only time I've ever heard yards contributed to player like that before.

Anyone who remembers what was going on in 2007 knows that Williams had issues in 2006 and 2007 and Vinny set him straight. He came into camp after working harder than ever in the off-season with a new attitude and a new improved work ethic. I don't understand why the two of you can't ever admit you were wrong and just argue until the other person gives up. You win, honestly I know what happened and so do others here. I give up. Believe what you want...............

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Sure they do if they run for a 50 yard play around the end and then get stuffed for 3 plays behind the line and then average 3 yards per carry for the next 10 plays. Lets say the negative plays were for minus 3 yards a piece. So we have 14 plays for a total of 71 or a total of 5 yards per play.

As for the comparison to the past 2 years do you have stats to show that or did you make it up??

Oh yeah! That reminds me of another argument people used on Williams. Take away his big runs and he averages 3.something. Even then they wouldn't take away Foster big run of like 14 and his average was in the 2.something range. Funny poo.

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