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Jonathan Stewart Signs Five Year (36.5 Million) Contract Extension


Best Answer Kurb, 11 August 2012 - 05:38 PM

I would say I am shocked so many of you fail to see the implications of this waste of money in RunningBacks, then I remember Im the local badguy lately for saying we spend too much on runningbacks and you are all incredible homers. Go to the full post


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#316 panthers55

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 09:40 AM

So many lulz, so little time...


So tell me how losing Payton didn't affect the offense with the 6 points you put up on one of the worse defenses last year.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 09:44 AM

This is a Panthers forum, not a Saints*** forum. Im here to talk about the Panthers.

But, since you insist. I dont care about preseason games. I didnt even comment about Carolinas preseason game. Yes it sucks to not have SP.

I cannot stand preseason football. Ill watch highlights, but generally only the first series or two of any game. I saw Carolinas and Houstons first series. Havent seen a minute of NO play. Ill watch a bit more of the 3rd preseason games.None of the last.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 10:04 AM

This is a Panthers forum, not a Saints**** forum. Im here to talk about the Panthers.

But, since you insist. I dont care about preseason games. I didnt even comment about Carolinas preseason game. Yes it sucks to not have SP.

I cannot stand preseason football. Ill watch highlights, but generally only the first series or two of any game. I saw Carolinas and Houstons first series. Havent seen a minute of NO play. Ill watch a bit more of the 3rd preseason games.None of the last.


Then why are you here??? You saw nothing so you have nothing to add.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 10:16 AM

I wasnt responding to a post about a game....

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 10:43 AM

So many lulz, so little time...


Why don't you go troll Bountyreport.com instead. Or, follow Payton on twitter as he jets around the caribbean banging skanky cougars.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 03:33 PM

Once again you are distorting the facts as usual to suit your purposes. We signed the extension with Jake in 2009 to free up cap space to keep Peppers. What he received in guaranteed money was largely what we were going to have to give him anyway in 2009 and an incentive to do the extension in the first place since there was a clause that in essence made it a 1 year deal in 2010 allowed us to void the deal in 2010. Everyone knew that he would never see a large portion of that money.


Aha, so the only way to clear up the 2 million to keep Peppers was to extend Delhomme, who was scheduled to be a free agent in 2010 anyway, so that we'd owe him 12.7 million dollars instead of nothing after 2009. Hurney seemed to communicate as much when he was on sports talk radio after the opener against the Eagles saying how this was "our worst case scenario". Also, this wasn't the point you were making back then. You were pretty optimistic about a guy who was regressing at the rate of real time. Don't act like you were talking all about how this was just a cap move.


As for the fact you think we can only run, I guess once again you fail to grasp we had the 13th best passing game in total yards last year with a rookie. We had the most 80 yard drives of any team and were one of the most prolific big play offenses in the league. Given our philosophy which is build from within we had a great passing game last year. Our running game is not stopping our passing game. What stopped it was lack of a franchise quarterback which we now have. Our offense was top 7 in total yards, we were 4th in yards per play. We are not one dimensional and the investment in the run game has not held back the passing game.


Right now it's certainly holding back the pass defense. The point being is that it's not going to hold the passing game back, the passing game is going to limit how much of all that guaranteed money in the running game is going to return. The best thing is for the entire offense to be centered around Cam, like it is with every other top offense in the league. The running game is simply a change of pace at that point.

So the bitching is really unwarranted and unneeded. And a waste of time. Carry on though...............


It's honestly a vicious cycle that's been going as far back into recent history as possible. I just wonder what the next dumb contract extension everybody is going to defend to the death on here is going to be next spring/summer.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 07:14 PM

Then answer the question ??? What is so hard?? I would think a sixth grader could do it, why can't you??? There is no accusation, if you have been following posts for years which you claim to have done since you talked about me supporting Delhomme years ago then you posted under another name. Why not tell us who it was unless you are ashamed to admit it?? For that matter why change it at all if you don;t have something to hide?? I have posted here for years under the same name for better or worse..........

So answer the question................


You have to date me first to see the goods. Seriously, what is with the obsession. A little stalker-ish for my taste.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:43 PM

Aha, so the only way to clear up the 2 million to keep Peppers was to extend Delhomme, who was scheduled to be a free agent in 2010 anyway, so that we'd owe him 12.7 million dollars instead of nothing after 2009. Hurney seemed to communicate as much when he was on sports talk radio after the opener against the Eagles saying how this was "our worst case scenario". Also, this wasn't the point you were making back then. You were pretty optimistic about a guy who was regressing at the rate of real time. Don't act like you were talking all about how this was just a cap move.


It wasn't 2 million it was closer to five million if I remember correctly. And the price of a starting quarterback in the NFL in 2010 was around 10 million so this was not outside what we would have paid for any quarterback if he had played well. Plus you and I know that much off that money was to reward Delhomme for his play over the past 6 years when he worked for well below the going rate especially during the 2003 to 2005 period. If you want to blame Hurney and Fox for loyalty, that is a valid criticism, but that kind off legacy is one of the reason players have wanted to play for the Panthers over the years.
Was I hopeful that he could play one more year and return to his form of 2008? Guilty as charged.


Right now it's certainly holding back the pass defense. The point being is that it's not going to hold the passing game back, the passing game is going to limit how much of all that guaranteed money in the running game is going to return. The best thing is for the entire offense to be centered around Cam, like it is with every other top offense in the league. The running game is simply a change of pace at that point.


Holding us up how? We are not going to spend a bunch for a CB and haven't since we picked up Lucas which didn't really pan out that well. He cost a ton of money and wasn't that great. We did better with Gamble who we drafted and he was cheaper by far for much longer. As for DEs, other than Tyler Brayton, who have we ever spent big bucks for in the past decade. The running game is surely not a change of pace but an integral part of the run option offense. We don't run a traditional passing offense so why compare us to the Green Bays or New Englands. We don't run a west coast or Perkins Erhardt offense so the comparisons are not really valid.


It's honestly a vicious cycle that's been going as far back into recent history as possible. I just wonder what the next dumb contract extension everybody is going to defend to the death on here is going to be next spring/summer.


One man's dumb extension is another's critical element to run the offense. I trust that Chud knows what he is doing and is collecting what he needs. Hurney is just paying what he thinks he has to pay to make the deal.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:50 PM

Plus you and I know that much off that money was to reward Delhomme for his play over the past 6 years when he worked for well below the going rate especially during the 2003 to 2005 period.








Hurney is just paying what he thinks he has to pay to make the deal.


Those are conflicting statements....

Disagree with the second, Hurney doesn't pay just to get a deal done and people he needs...he consistently pays guys for what the have done and flat out overpays.


Also, I didn't quote you but Lucas worked out pretty well. Overpaid? Yes....but a dang good CB until about early/midseason his last year when teams figured out Godfrey couldn't provide S help to him. Lucas was part of the reason we made our NFCCG run.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:50 PM

You have to date me first to see the goods. Seriously, what is with the obsession. A little stalker-ish for my taste.


Date you? Stalker?? Seriously???? You seem like one of those guys who advertises on a dating site and keeps everything a secret because if they knew the reality they would run or laugh.

You are the one changing avatars and keeping secrets. Just wondered which troll you were. Do I care really? Hardly.............

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:54 PM

Those are conflicting statements....

Disagree with the second, Hurney doesn't pay just to get a deal done and people he needs...he consistently pays guys for what the have done and flat out overpays.


I didn't know you ever worked in a front office and were qualified to judge what is a good deal or not. Do you honestly think that Richardson who is a billionaire would keep Hurney around for years if hee felt he was wasting his money and doing a crappy job? JR could hire a bunch of GMs and yet he stays with Hurney likely on the advice of his experts and his own opinion. You think he got as far as he did keeping incompetent people???

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 09:06 PM

Date you? Stalker?? Seriously???? You seem like one of those guys who advertises on a dating site and keeps everything a secret because if they knew the reality they would run or laugh.

You are the one changing avatars and keeping secrets.


Ok creepy.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 09:07 PM

I didn't know you ever worked in a front office and were qualified to judge what is a good deal or not. Do you honestly think that Richardson who is a billionaire would keep Hurney around for years if hee felt he was wasting his money and doing a crappy job? JR could hire a bunch of GMs and yet he stays with Hurney likely on the advice of his experts and his own opinion. You think he got as far as he did keeping incompetent people???


Ah, the old " you aren't a GM so you can't be critical of a GM defense".....

Jerry's franchise is one of the most succesful in all of professional sports. I think he cares about that.....a lot. Being a good business man or former player doesn't mean you build a team flawlessly. Plus there is some old school mentality in paying guys for what they have DONE especially in a Panther uniform.

I guess since I was not a former NBA great, have ownership in a NBA franchise, and haven't GM'd a NBA team I can't point out what a crap job Jordan is doing with the Bobcats either, huh?

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 09:09 PM

Everyone get their FO badges out. The message board cops are checking again for you to have an opinion.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 09:40 PM

First of all people act like we have been paying a ton for running backs for 2009 and 2010 when our team was poor and that we neglected other positions and that just isn't true. We paid Wiliams at the end of 2010 so the 2009 and 2010 seasons have nothing to do with overpaying for running backs. The only season that remotely could be considered is 2011 and even then we didn't pay more than 10 million for double trouble which is not much more than some teams paid for one back. And really from a salary cap point of view we are spending 12 million on Williams, Stewart and Tolbert combined in 2012. It isn't until 2013 that we are even paying a premium for our running backs so the whole it has kept our team back is ridiculous. If you are talking actually salaries it is even less.

The three of them cost less than 10% of our cap. In fact in 2012, the cost of Charles Johnson alone which is 11,000,000 is about the same as all three combined. For that matter Jordan Gross cost us 11,500,000 this season. Each of them cost us almost 10% of the cap themselves.

Your whole premise is flawed with poor logic. First of all Wiliams never showed much at all up until 2008 so drafting Stewart wasn't a waste at all. Many people would suggest that drafting Stewart was just the fire Williams needed under his butt to start producing. Secondly, until 2013 we aren't paying 2 running backs featured money and there is significant thought that WIlliams will never see the last 2 years of his contract. None of his money is guaranteed after 2012 and his cap hit if done as a June 1 cut won't be bad after 2013. So we might end up paying big bucks to the both of them for 1 year.

But this whole paying 90 millions for 2 backs is surely not going to happen unless they both produce at a very high level. So please give it a rest and let it play out. This year all of our backs are making the same as Adrian Peterson is making by himself. Lets see what happens next year before bitching for another year like you did with Williams about how that would stop up signing Stewart. You were the main one I was talking about with your constant bitching and your still at it. You have been wrong all along but that hardly deters you. Why not stop now while you are behind.


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