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Yes, Clausen sucks, but he was the best pick and the right choice when we drafted him

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Looking today Clausen was a GAWD awful pick, BUT, I think he was the best pick we could have possibly made in that particular situation. Was there much else to choose from?

We had a very obvious need at QB and he was supposed to be "the most NFL ready."

Lets take a look, I will highlight anyone who may have been a better choice. One last disclaimer, I believe the NFL Draft can be a crap-shoot. Lots of things can happen and there is not predicting the future, superstars can fizzle or rise.

48. Carolina - Jimmy Clausen, QB Notre Dame

49. San Francisco - Taylor Mays, S USC

50. Kansas City (from Atlanta) - Javier Arenas, CB Alabama

51. Minnesota (from Houston) - Toby Gerhart, RB Stanford

52. Pittsburgh - Jason Worilds, DE Virginia Tech

53. New England - Jermaine Cunningham, DE Florida

54. Cincinnati - Carlos Dunlap, DE Florida

55. Dallas (from Philadelphia) - Sean Lee, LB Penn State

56. Green Bay - Mike Neal, DT Purdue

57. Baltimore - Terrence Cody, DT Alabama (We needed a DT too, but weight issues etc turned off personnel)

58. Houston (from Arizona through New England) - Ben Tate, RB Auburn

59. Cleveland (from Dallas through Philadelphia) - Montario Hardesty, RB Tennessee

60. Seattle (from San Diego) - Golden Tate, WR Notre Dame

61. NY Jets - Vlad Ducasse, OT Massachusetts

62. New England (from Minnesota through Houston) - Brandon Spikes, LB Florida

63. Indianapolis - Pat Angerer, LB Iowa

64. New Orleans - Charles Brown, OT USC


65. St. Louis - Jerome Murphy, CB South Florida

66. Detroit - Amari Spievey, CB Iowa

67. Tampa Bay - Myron Lewis, CB Vanderbilt

68. Kansas City - Jon Asamoah, OG Illinois

69. Oakland - Jared Veldheer, OT Hillsdale

70. Baltimore (from Seattle through Philadelphia and Denver), Ed Dickson, TE Oregon

71. Green Bay (from Cleveland through Philadelphia) - Morgan Burnett, S Georgia Tech

72. Buffalo - Alex Carrington, DE Arkansas State

73. Miami - John Jerry, OT Mississippi

74. Jacksonville - D'Anthony Smith, DT Louisiana Tech

75. Chicago - Major Wright, S Florida

76. NY Giants - Chad Jones, S LSU

77. Tennessee - Damian Williams, WR USC

78. Carolina - Brandon LaFell, WR LSU

79. San Diego (from San Francisco) - Donald Butler, LB Washington

80. Denver - J.D. Walton, C Baylor

81. Houston - Earl Mitchell, DT Arizona

82. Pittsburgh - Emmanuel Sanders, WR SMU

83. Atlanta - Corey Peters, DT Kentucky

84. Cincinnati - Jordan Shipley, WR Texas

85. Cleveland (from New England through Oakland) - Colt McCoy, QB Texas

86. Philadelphia (from Green Bay) - Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, DE Washington

87. Denver (from Philadelphia) - Eric Decker, WR Minnesota

88. Arizona (from Baltimore) - Andre Roberts, WR Citadel

89. Carolina (from Arizona through New England) Armanti Edwards, QB Appalachian State

90. New England (from Dallas) - Taylor Price, WR Ohio

91. San Francisco (from San Diego) - Navorro Bowman, LB Penn State (We had no need for a 3-4 linebacker, but has done great in San Fran)

92. Cleveland (from NY Jets) - Shawn Lauvao, OT Arizona State

93. Kansas City (from Minnesota through Houston) - Tony Moeaki, TE Iowa

94. Indianapolis - Kevin Thomas, CB Southern Cal

95. New Orleans - Jimmy Graham, TE Miami (Blew up and has become an NFL superstar. He also had Drew Brees throwing to him with a stacked offense. Imagine his production if he was in Jacksonville, Miami, or even Carolina with Clausen.)

96. Cincinnati (Compensatory selection) - Brandon Ghee, CB Wake Forest

97. Tennessee (Compensatory selection) - Rennie Curran, LB Georgia

98. Atlanta (Compensatory selection) - Mike Johnson, OG Alabama

9. St. Louis - Mardy Gilyard, WR Cincinnati

100. Minnesota (from Detroit) - Everson Griffen, DE USC

101. Tampa Bay - Mike Williams, WR Syracuse (Had a good rookie campaign, is not super great an adds support to my arguement)

102. Houston (From Kansas City) - Darryl Sharpton, LB Miami

103. Washington - Perry Riley, LB LSU

104. Tennessee (from Seattle) - Alterraun Verner, CB UCLA

105. Philadelphia (from Cleveland) - Trevard Lindley, CB Kentucky

106. Oakland - Bruce Campbell, OT Maryland

107. Buffalo - Marcus Easley, WR Connecticut

108. Oakland (from Jacksonville) - Jacoby Ford, WR Clemson (Good athelete, but the need for QB was there)

109. Chicago - Corey Wootton, DE Northwestern

110. San Diego (from Miami) - Darrell Stuckey, S Kansas

111. Seattle (from Tennessee) - Walter Thurmond, CB Oregon

112. NY Jets (from Carolina) - Joe McKnight, RB USC

113. New England (from San Francisco through Denver) - Aaron Hernandez, TE Florida

114. Baltimore (from Denver) - Dennis Pitta, TE BYU

115. NY Giants - Phillip Dillard, LB Nebraska

116. Pittsburgh - Thadeus Gibson, DE Ohio State

117. Atlanta - Joe Hawley, OG UNLV

118. Houston - Garrett Graham, TE Wisconsin

119. Miami (from New England through Dallas) - A.J. Edds, LB Iowa

120. Cincinnati - Geno Atkins, DT Georgia

121. Philadelphia - Keenan Clayton, LB Oklahoma

122. Philadelphia (from Green Bay) - Mike Kafka, QB Northwestern

123. New Orleans (from Baltimore through Arizona) - Al Woods, DT LSU

124. Carolina (from Arizona through NY Jets) - Eric Norwood, LB South Carolina

125. Philadelphia (from Dallas) - Clay Harbor, TE Missouri State

126. Dallas (from San Diego through Miami) - Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB Indiana (PA)

127. Seattle (from NY Jets through Philadelphia) - E.J. Wilson, DE North Carolina

128. Detroit (from Minnesota) - Jason Fox, OT Miami

129. Indianapolis - Jacques McClendon, OG Tennessee

130. Arizona (from New Orleans) - O'Brien Schofield, DE Wisconsin

131. Cincinnati (Compensatory selection) - Roddrick Muckelroy, LB Texas


132. St. Louis - Michael Hoomanawanui, TE Illinois

133. Seattle (from Detroit) - Kam Chancellor, S Virginia Tech

134. Philadelphia (from Tampa Bay through Cleveland) - Ricky Sapp, DE Clemson

135. Atlanta (from Washington through St. Louis) - Dominique Franks, CB Oklahoma

136. Kansas City - Kendrick Lewis, S Mississippi

137. Denver (from Cleveland through Philadelphia) - Perrish Cox, CB Oklahoma State

138. Oakland - Walter McFadden, DB Auburn

139. NY Jets (from Seattle) - John Conner, RB Kentucky

140. Buffalo - Ed Wang, OT Virginia Tech

141. Chicago - Joshua Moore, DB Kansas State

142. Kansas City (from Miami) Cameron Sheffield, DE Troy

143. Jacksonville - Larry Hart, DE Central Arkansas

144. Houston (from Carolina through Kansas City) - Sherrick McManis, CB Northwestern

145. Miami (from San Francisco) - Nolan Carroll, CB Maryland

146. San Diego (from Denver through Detroit, Cleveland and Philadelphia) - Cam Thomas, DT North Carolina

147. NY Giants - Mitch Petrus, OG Arkansas

148. Tennessee - Robert Johnson, DB Utah

149. St. Louis (from Atlanta) Hall Davis, DE Louisiana-Lafayette

150. New England (from Houston) - Zoltan Mesko, P Michigan

151. Pittsburgh - Chris Scott, OT Tennessee

152. Cincinnati - Otis Hudson, OG Eastern Illinois

153. Jacksonville (from New England through Tampa Bay and Oakland) - Austen Lane, DE Murray State

154. Green Bay - Andrew Quarless, TE Penn State

155. Arizona (from Philadelphia through NY Jets and Pittsburgh) - John Skelton, QB Fordham

156. Baltimore - David Reed, WR Utah

157. Baltimore (from Arizona) - Art Jones, DT Syracuse

158. New Orleans (from Dallas through New England, Denver, Oakland, and Jacksonville) - Matt Tennant, C Boston College

159. Philadelphia (from San Diego) - Riley Cooper, WR Florida

160. Cleveland (from NY Jets) - Larry Asante, S Nebraska

161. Minnesota - Chris Degeare, OT Wake Forest

162. Indianapolis - Brody Eldridge, TE Oklahoma

163. Miami (from St. Louis through New Orleans, Philadelphia, and Washington) - Reshad Jones, S Georgia

164. Pittsburgh (Compensatory selection) - Crezdon Butler, CB Clemson

165. Atlanta (Compensatory selection) - Kerry Meier, WR Kansas

166. Pittsburgh (Compensatory selection) - Stevenson Sylvester, LB Utah

167. Minnesota (Compensatory selection) - Nathan Triplett, LB Minnesota

168. San Diego (Compensatory selection) - Jonathan Crompton, QB Tennessee

169. Green Bay (Compensatory selection) - Marshall Newhouse, OT TCU

170. St. Louis - Fendi Onobun, TE Arizona

171. Atlanta (from Detroit) - Shann Schillinger, S Montana

172. Tampa Bay - Brent Bowden, P Virginia Tech

173. San Francisco (from Kansas City through Miami and San Diego) = Anthony Dixon, RB Mississippi State

174. Washington (from Washington through Miami) - Dennis Morris, TE Louisiana Tech

175. Carolina (from oakland) - Greg Hardy, DE Mississippi

176. Tennessee (from Seattle) - Rusty Smith, QB Florida Atlantic

177. Cleveland - Carlton Mitchell, WR South Florida

178. Buffalo Arthur Moats, DE James Madison

179. Dallas (from Miami) - Sam Young, OT Notre Dame

180. Jacksonville - Deji Karim, RB Southern Illinois

181. Chicago - Dan LeFevour, QB Central Michigan

182. San Francisco - Nate Byham, TE Pittsburgh

183. Denver - Eric Olsen, C Notre Dame

184. NY Giants - Adrian Tracy, DE William & Mary

185. Seattle (from Tennessee) - Anthony McCoy, TE USC

186. Cleveland (from Carolina) - Clifton Geathers, DE South Carolina

187. Houston - Shelley Smith, OG Colorado State

188. Pittsburgh - Jonathan Dwyer, RB Georgia Tech

189. St. Louis - (from Atlanta) - Eugene Sims, DE West Texas AM

190. Oakland (from New England) - Travis Goethel, LB Arizona State

191. Cincinnati - Dezmon Briscoe, WR Kansas

192. Buffalo (from Philadelphia) - Danny Batten, DE South Dakota State

193. Green Bay - James Starks, RB Buffalo

194. Baltimore - Ramon Harewood, OT Morehouse

195. Pittsburgh (from Arizona) - Antonio Brown, WR Central Michigan

196. Dallas - Jamar Wall, CB Texas Tech

197. Houston (from San Diego) - Trindon Holliday, KR LSU

198. Carolina (from NY Jets) - David Gettis, WR Baylor

199. Minnesota - Joe Webb, QB UAB

200. Philadelphia (from Indianapolis) - Charles Scott, RB LSU

201. Arizona (from New Orleans) - Jorrick Calvin, DB Troy

202. Carolina (Compensatory selection) - Jordan Pugh, DB Texas A&M

203. Jacksonville (Compensatory selection) - Scotty McGee, KR James Madison

204. Carolina (Compensatory selection) - Tony Pike, QB Cincinnati

205. New England (Compensatory selection) - Ted Larsen, OL North Carolina State

206. San Francisco (Compensatory selection) - Kyle Williams, WR Arizona State

207. Tennessee (Compensatory selection) - Myron Rolle, S Florida State


208. New England (from St. Louis through Washington) - Thomas Welch, OL Vanderbilt

209. Buffalo (from Detroit), Levi Brown, QB Troy

210. Tampa Bay - Cody Grimm, LB Virginia Tech

211. St. Louis (from Washington) - Marquis Johnson, DB Alabama

212. Miami (from Kansas City) - Chris McCoy, DL Middle Tennessee State

213. Detroit (from Seattle) - Willie Young, DE North Carolina State

214. Minnesota (from Cleveland through Detroit) - Mickey Shuler, TE Penn State

215. Oakland - Jeremy Ware, DB Michigan State

216. Buffalo - Kyle Calloway, OT Iowa

217. Tampa Bay (from Jacksonville) - Dekoda Watson, LB Florida State

218. Chicago - J'Marcus Webb, OT West Texas AM

219. Washington (from Miami) - Terrence Austin, WR UCLA

220. Philadelphia (from Denver through Detroit) Jamar Chaney, LB Mississippi State

221. NY Giants - Matt Dodge, P East Carolina

222. Tennessee - Marc Mariani, WR Montana

223. Carolina - R.J. Stanford, DB Utah

224. San Francisco - Phillip Adams, DB South Carolina State

225. Denver (from Pittsburgh through Tampa Bay) - Syd'quan Thompson, CB California

226. St. Louis (from Atlanta) - George Selvie, DE South Florida

227. Houston - Dorin Dickerson, TE Pittsburgh

228. Cincinnati - Reggie Stephens, OL Iowa State

229. Washington (from New England) - Erik Cook, C New Mexico

230. Green Bay - C.J. Wilson, DE East Carolina

231. Washington (from Philadelphia through Denver and New England) - Delvish Capers, OT West Virginia

232. Denver (from Baltimore through Tampa Bay) - Jammie Kirlew, DE Indiana

233. Arizona - Jim Dray, TE Stanford

234. Dallas - Sean Lissemore, DT William & Mary

235. San Diego - Dedrick Epps, TE Miami

236. Seattle (from NY Jets) - Dexter Davis, DE Arizona State

237. Minnesota - Ryan D'Imperio, LB Rutgers

238. Indianapolis - Ricardo Mathews, DE Cincinnati

239. New Orleans - Sean Canfield, QB Oregon State

240. Indianapolis (Compensatory selection) - Kavell Conner, LB Clemson

241. Tennessee (Compensatory selection) - David Howard, DT Brown

242. Pittsburgh (Compensatory selection) - Doug Worthington, DT Ohio State

243. Philadelphia (Compensatory selection) - Jeff Owens, DT Georgia

244. Philadelphia (Compensatory selection) - Kurt Coleman, S Ohio State

245. Seattle (Compensatory selection) - Jameson Konz, WR Kent State

246. Indianapolis (Compensatory selection) Ray Fisher, DB Indiana

247. New England (Compensatory selection) - Brandon Deaderick, DE Alabama

248. New England (Compensatory selection) - Kade Weston, DT Georgia

249. Carolina (Compensatory selection) - Robert McClain, DB Connecticut

250. New England (Compensatory selection) - Zac Robinson, QB Oklahoma State

251. Oakland (Compensatory selection) - Stevie Brown, DB Michigan

252. Miami (Compensatory selection) - Austin Spitler, LB Ohio State

253. Tampa Bay (Compensatory selection) - Erik Lorig, DE Stanford

254. St. Louis (Compensatory selection) - Josh Hull, LB Penn State

255. Detroit (Compensatory selection) - Tim Toone, WR Weber State

Having said that, do you still think Clausen was the worst draft pick in Panther history? Who did we pass up on besides Graham? Even then, he is one out of 200.

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Very thorough and thought out. I would have to agree with you when put into that perspective. I'm sure most wanted him to work out, but he just didn't. He just doesn't have it. Maybe a change in system/philosophy would help.

I think the best thing we could do for him is release him.

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Can you imagine if we were able to pull of the trade to move up and get him like we wanted to?

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I was shamefully behind the Clausen pick once it happened. What is inexcusable is the support he got after his rookie year, and the crowd that didn't want Cam so that Clausen could get another chance, and most of that crowd was ok with getting Luck.

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Ben Tate!!!! Four starting running backs baby!!!!

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So instead of an interior defensive lineman or a pass rusher, we have a clipboard holder who makes a two comma income. Not even Marty Hurney would defend that.

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Sadly as mentioned, though everyone hoped he would work out, he didn't, But rather than just leave the guy alone he is the favorite kicking toy for this forum.

Seems to me the best way would be to simply ignore him rather than continue to belittle a man who despite his failure in the NFL to date has tons more talent that anyone here commenting on how bad he is, or how his mother should regret giving birth, or all of the other snide remarks that get made. Serves no purpose to continue to insult the guy.

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So instead of an interior defensive lineman or a pass rusher, we have a clipboard holder who makes a two comma income. Not even Marty Hurney would defend that.

Did you even read the OP?

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So instead of an interior defensive lineman or a pass rusher, we have a clipboard holder who makes a two comma income. Not even Marty Hurney would defend that.

So if I am reading this correctly, you are referring to two players out of 200 (Cody and Bowman), and you think you could have made a better decision?


Those two were not even projected to be taken until the late-second/early-third round at THE VERY best. You have a VERY obvious need at QB and you have a QB sitting there in the 2nd that was considered "the most NFL ready" and by some considered a late first-round pick.

So to me that is easy to defend, even under these circumstances.

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Clausen doesn't make a 2 comma income on our cap, either. He makes a little over 800,000 this year and 900,000 next year. For a backup QB that is peanuts so he will likely be around unless we can find something even cheaper.

On the flip side, you could have had Taylor Mays, and then converted him to LB, and watched him get hurt again and again but flash potential every now again like Thomas Davis.

That being said, when I look at this draft I feel Cody could have been a good pick. Other than that, the truth is that his year he got drafted was a poor class overall once you hit the second round. It isn't Clausen's fault where he got picked and he was a smart pick at the time. You can not predict people fizzling out.

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