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Yes, Clausen sucks, but he was the best pick and the right choice when we drafted him


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#1 Brokenbad

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:20 AM

Looking today Clausen was a GAWD awful pick, BUT, I think he was the best pick we could have possibly made in that particular situation. Was there much else to choose from?

We had a very obvious need at QB and he was supposed to be "the most NFL ready."

Lets take a look, I will highlight anyone who may have been a better choice. One last disclaimer, I believe the NFL Draft can be a crap-shoot. Lots of things can happen and there is not predicting the future, superstars can fizzle or rise.

48. Carolina - Jimmy Clausen, QB Notre Dame
49. San Francisco - Taylor Mays, S USC
50. Kansas City (from Atlanta) - Javier Arenas, CB Alabama
51. Minnesota (from Houston) - Toby Gerhart, RB Stanford
52. Pittsburgh - Jason Worilds, DE Virginia Tech
53. New England - Jermaine Cunningham, DE Florida
54. Cincinnati - Carlos Dunlap, DE Florida
55. Dallas (from Philadelphia) - Sean Lee, LB Penn State
56. Green Bay - Mike Neal, DT Purdue
57. Baltimore - Terrence Cody, DT Alabama (We needed a DT too, but weight issues etc turned off personnel)
58. Houston (from Arizona through New England) - Ben Tate, RB Auburn
59. Cleveland (from Dallas through Philadelphia) - Montario Hardesty, RB Tennessee
60. Seattle (from San Diego) - Golden Tate, WR Notre Dame
61. NY Jets - Vlad Ducasse, OT Massachusetts
62. New England (from Minnesota through Houston) - Brandon Spikes, LB Florida
63. Indianapolis - Pat Angerer, LB Iowa
64. New Orleans - Charles Brown, OT USC
ROUND THREE
65. St. Louis - Jerome Murphy, CB South Florida
66. Detroit - Amari Spievey, CB Iowa
67. Tampa Bay - Myron Lewis, CB Vanderbilt
68. Kansas City - Jon Asamoah, OG Illinois
69. Oakland - Jared Veldheer, OT Hillsdale
70. Baltimore (from Seattle through Philadelphia and Denver), Ed Dickson, TE Oregon
71. Green Bay (from Cleveland through Philadelphia) - Morgan Burnett, S Georgia Tech
72. Buffalo - Alex Carrington, DE Arkansas State
73. Miami - John Jerry, OT Mississippi
74. Jacksonville - D'Anthony Smith, DT Louisiana Tech
75. Chicago - Major Wright, S Florida
76. NY Giants - Chad Jones, S LSU
77. Tennessee - Damian Williams, WR USC
78. Carolina - Brandon LaFell, WR LSU
79. San Diego (from San Francisco) - Donald Butler, LB Washington
80. Denver - J.D. Walton, C Baylor
81. Houston - Earl Mitchell, DT Arizona
82. Pittsburgh - Emmanuel Sanders, WR SMU
83. Atlanta - Corey Peters, DT Kentucky
84. Cincinnati - Jordan Shipley, WR Texas
85. Cleveland (from New England through Oakland) - Colt McCoy, QB Texas
86. Philadelphia (from Green Bay) - Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, DE Washington
87. Denver (from Philadelphia) - Eric Decker, WR Minnesota
88. Arizona (from Baltimore) - Andre Roberts, WR Citadel
89. Carolina (from Arizona through New England) Armanti Edwards, QB Appalachian State
90. New England (from Dallas) - Taylor Price, WR Ohio
91. San Francisco (from San Diego) - Navorro Bowman, LB Penn State (We had no need for a 3-4 linebacker, but has done great in San Fran)
92. Cleveland (from NY Jets) - Shawn Lauvao, OT Arizona State
93. Kansas City (from Minnesota through Houston) - Tony Moeaki, TE Iowa
94. Indianapolis - Kevin Thomas, CB Southern Cal
95. New Orleans - Jimmy Graham, TE Miami (Blew up and has become an NFL superstar. He also had Drew Brees throwing to him with a stacked offense. Imagine his production if he was in Jacksonville, Miami, or even Carolina with Clausen.)
96. Cincinnati (Compensatory selection) - Brandon Ghee, CB Wake Forest
97. Tennessee (Compensatory selection) - Rennie Curran, LB Georgia
98. Atlanta (Compensatory selection) - Mike Johnson, OG Alabama

9. St. Louis - Mardy Gilyard, WR Cincinnati
100. Minnesota (from Detroit) - Everson Griffen, DE USC
101. Tampa Bay - Mike Williams, WR Syracuse (Had a good rookie campaign, is not super great an adds support to my arguement)
102. Houston (From Kansas City) - Darryl Sharpton, LB Miami
103. Washington - Perry Riley, LB LSU
104. Tennessee (from Seattle) - Alterraun Verner, CB UCLA

105. Philadelphia (from Cleveland) - Trevard Lindley, CB Kentucky
106. Oakland - Bruce Campbell, OT Maryland
107. Buffalo - Marcus Easley, WR Connecticut
108. Oakland (from Jacksonville) - Jacoby Ford, WR Clemson (Good athelete, but the need for QB was there)
109. Chicago - Corey Wootton, DE Northwestern
110. San Diego (from Miami) - Darrell Stuckey, S Kansas
111. Seattle (from Tennessee) - Walter Thurmond, CB Oregon
112. NY Jets (from Carolina) - Joe McKnight, RB USC
113. New England (from San Francisco through Denver) - Aaron Hernandez, TE Florida
114. Baltimore (from Denver) - Dennis Pitta, TE BYU
115. NY Giants - Phillip Dillard, LB Nebraska
116. Pittsburgh - Thadeus Gibson, DE Ohio State
117. Atlanta - Joe Hawley, OG UNLV
118. Houston - Garrett Graham, TE Wisconsin
119. Miami (from New England through Dallas) - A.J. Edds, LB Iowa
120. Cincinnati - Geno Atkins, DT Georgia
121. Philadelphia - Keenan Clayton, LB Oklahoma
122. Philadelphia (from Green Bay) - Mike Kafka, QB Northwestern
123. New Orleans (from Baltimore through Arizona) - Al Woods, DT LSU
124. Carolina (from Arizona through NY Jets) - Eric Norwood, LB South Carolina
125. Philadelphia (from Dallas) - Clay Harbor, TE Missouri State
126. Dallas (from San Diego through Miami) - Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB Indiana (PA)
127. Seattle (from NY Jets through Philadelphia) - E.J. Wilson, DE North Carolina
128. Detroit (from Minnesota) - Jason Fox, OT Miami
129. Indianapolis - Jacques McClendon, OG Tennessee
130. Arizona (from New Orleans) - O'Brien Schofield, DE Wisconsin
131. Cincinnati (Compensatory selection) - Roddrick Muckelroy, LB Texas
FIFTH ROUND
132. St. Louis - Michael Hoomanawanui, TE Illinois
133. Seattle (from Detroit) - Kam Chancellor, S Virginia Tech
134. Philadelphia (from Tampa Bay through Cleveland) - Ricky Sapp, DE Clemson
135. Atlanta (from Washington through St. Louis) - Dominique Franks, CB Oklahoma
136. Kansas City - Kendrick Lewis, S Mississippi
137. Denver (from Cleveland through Philadelphia) - Perrish Cox, CB Oklahoma State
138. Oakland - Walter McFadden, DB Auburn
139. NY Jets (from Seattle) - John Conner, RB Kentucky
140. Buffalo - Ed Wang, OT Virginia Tech
141. Chicago - Joshua Moore, DB Kansas State
142. Kansas City (from Miami) Cameron Sheffield, DE Troy
143. Jacksonville - Larry Hart, DE Central Arkansas
144. Houston (from Carolina through Kansas City) - Sherrick McManis, CB Northwestern
145. Miami (from San Francisco) - Nolan Carroll, CB Maryland
146. San Diego (from Denver through Detroit, Cleveland and Philadelphia) - Cam Thomas, DT North Carolina
147. NY Giants - Mitch Petrus, OG Arkansas
148. Tennessee - Robert Johnson, DB Utah
149. St. Louis (from Atlanta) Hall Davis, DE Louisiana-Lafayette
150. New England (from Houston) - Zoltan Mesko, P Michigan
151. Pittsburgh - Chris Scott, OT Tennessee
152. Cincinnati - Otis Hudson, OG Eastern Illinois
153. Jacksonville (from New England through Tampa Bay and Oakland) - Austen Lane, DE Murray State
154. Green Bay - Andrew Quarless, TE Penn State
155. Arizona (from Philadelphia through NY Jets and Pittsburgh) - John Skelton, QB Fordham
156. Baltimore - David Reed, WR Utah
157. Baltimore (from Arizona) - Art Jones, DT Syracuse
158. New Orleans (from Dallas through New England, Denver, Oakland, and Jacksonville) - Matt Tennant, C Boston College
159. Philadelphia (from San Diego) - Riley Cooper, WR Florida
160. Cleveland (from NY Jets) - Larry Asante, S Nebraska
161. Minnesota - Chris Degeare, OT Wake Forest
162. Indianapolis - Brody Eldridge, TE Oklahoma
163. Miami (from St. Louis through New Orleans, Philadelphia, and Washington) - Reshad Jones, S Georgia
164. Pittsburgh (Compensatory selection) - Crezdon Butler, CB Clemson
165. Atlanta (Compensatory selection) - Kerry Meier, WR Kansas
166. Pittsburgh (Compensatory selection) - Stevenson Sylvester, LB Utah
167. Minnesota (Compensatory selection) - Nathan Triplett, LB Minnesota
168. San Diego (Compensatory selection) - Jonathan Crompton, QB Tennessee
169. Green Bay (Compensatory selection) - Marshall Newhouse, OT TCU
170. St. Louis - Fendi Onobun, TE Arizona
171. Atlanta (from Detroit) - Shann Schillinger, S Montana
172. Tampa Bay - Brent Bowden, P Virginia Tech
173. San Francisco (from Kansas City through Miami and San Diego) = Anthony Dixon, RB Mississippi State
174. Washington (from Washington through Miami) - Dennis Morris, TE Louisiana Tech
175. Carolina (from oakland) - Greg Hardy, DE Mississippi
176. Tennessee (from Seattle) - Rusty Smith, QB Florida Atlantic
177. Cleveland - Carlton Mitchell, WR South Florida
178. Buffalo Arthur Moats, DE James Madison
179. Dallas (from Miami) - Sam Young, OT Notre Dame
180. Jacksonville - Deji Karim, RB Southern Illinois
181. Chicago - Dan LeFevour, QB Central Michigan
182. San Francisco - Nate Byham, TE Pittsburgh
183. Denver - Eric Olsen, C Notre Dame
184. NY Giants - Adrian Tracy, DE William & Mary
185. Seattle (from Tennessee) - Anthony McCoy, TE USC
186. Cleveland (from Carolina) - Clifton Geathers, DE South Carolina
187. Houston - Shelley Smith, OG Colorado State
188. Pittsburgh - Jonathan Dwyer, RB Georgia Tech
189. St. Louis - (from Atlanta) - Eugene Sims, DE West Texas AM
190. Oakland (from New England) - Travis Goethel, LB Arizona State
191. Cincinnati - Dezmon Briscoe, WR Kansas
192. Buffalo (from Philadelphia) - Danny Batten, DE South Dakota State
193. Green Bay - James Starks, RB Buffalo
194. Baltimore - Ramon Harewood, OT Morehouse
195. Pittsburgh (from Arizona) - Antonio Brown, WR Central Michigan
196. Dallas - Jamar Wall, CB Texas Tech
197. Houston (from San Diego) - Trindon Holliday, KR LSU
198. Carolina (from NY Jets) - David Gettis, WR Baylor
199. Minnesota - Joe Webb, QB UAB
200. Philadelphia (from Indianapolis) - Charles Scott, RB LSU
201. Arizona (from New Orleans) - Jorrick Calvin, DB Troy
202. Carolina (Compensatory selection) - Jordan Pugh, DB Texas A&M
203. Jacksonville (Compensatory selection) - Scotty McGee, KR James Madison
204. Carolina (Compensatory selection) - Tony Pike, QB Cincinnati
205. New England (Compensatory selection) - Ted Larsen, OL North Carolina State
206. San Francisco (Compensatory selection) - Kyle Williams, WR Arizona State
207. Tennessee (Compensatory selection) - Myron Rolle, S Florida State
SEVENTH ROUND
208. New England (from St. Louis through Washington) - Thomas Welch, OL Vanderbilt
209. Buffalo (from Detroit), Levi Brown, QB Troy
210. Tampa Bay - Cody Grimm, LB Virginia Tech
211. St. Louis (from Washington) - Marquis Johnson, DB Alabama
212. Miami (from Kansas City) - Chris McCoy, DL Middle Tennessee State
213. Detroit (from Seattle) - Willie Young, DE North Carolina State
214. Minnesota (from Cleveland through Detroit) - Mickey Shuler, TE Penn State
215. Oakland - Jeremy Ware, DB Michigan State
216. Buffalo - Kyle Calloway, OT Iowa
217. Tampa Bay (from Jacksonville) - Dekoda Watson, LB Florida State
218. Chicago - J'Marcus Webb, OT West Texas AM
219. Washington (from Miami) - Terrence Austin, WR UCLA
220. Philadelphia (from Denver through Detroit) Jamar Chaney, LB Mississippi State
221. NY Giants - Matt Dodge, P East Carolina
222. Tennessee - Marc Mariani, WR Montana
223. Carolina - R.J. Stanford, DB Utah
224. San Francisco - Phillip Adams, DB South Carolina State
225. Denver (from Pittsburgh through Tampa Bay) - Syd'quan Thompson, CB California
226. St. Louis (from Atlanta) - George Selvie, DE South Florida
227. Houston - Dorin Dickerson, TE Pittsburgh
228. Cincinnati - Reggie Stephens, OL Iowa State
229. Washington (from New England) - Erik Cook, C New Mexico
230. Green Bay - C.J. Wilson, DE East Carolina
231. Washington (from Philadelphia through Denver and New England) - Delvish Capers, OT West Virginia
232. Denver (from Baltimore through Tampa Bay) - Jammie Kirlew, DE Indiana
233. Arizona - Jim Dray, TE Stanford
234. Dallas - Sean Lissemore, DT William & Mary
235. San Diego - Dedrick Epps, TE Miami
236. Seattle (from NY Jets) - Dexter Davis, DE Arizona State
237. Minnesota - Ryan D'Imperio, LB Rutgers
238. Indianapolis - Ricardo Mathews, DE Cincinnati
239. New Orleans - Sean Canfield, QB Oregon State
240. Indianapolis (Compensatory selection) - Kavell Conner, LB Clemson
241. Tennessee (Compensatory selection) - David Howard, DT Brown
242. Pittsburgh (Compensatory selection) - Doug Worthington, DT Ohio State
243. Philadelphia (Compensatory selection) - Jeff Owens, DT Georgia
244. Philadelphia (Compensatory selection) - Kurt Coleman, S Ohio State
245. Seattle (Compensatory selection) - Jameson Konz, WR Kent State
246. Indianapolis (Compensatory selection) Ray Fisher, DB Indiana
247. New England (Compensatory selection) - Brandon Deaderick, DE Alabama
248. New England (Compensatory selection) - Kade Weston, DT Georgia
249. Carolina (Compensatory selection) - Robert McClain, DB Connecticut
250. New England (Compensatory selection) - Zac Robinson, QB Oklahoma State
251. Oakland (Compensatory selection) - Stevie Brown, DB Michigan
252. Miami (Compensatory selection) - Austin Spitler, LB Ohio State
253. Tampa Bay (Compensatory selection) - Erik Lorig, DE Stanford
254. St. Louis (Compensatory selection) - Josh Hull, LB Penn State
255. Detroit (Compensatory selection) - Tim Toone, WR Weber State

Having said that, do you still think Clausen was the worst draft pick in Panther history? Who did we pass up on besides Graham? Even then, he is one out of 200.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:29 AM

Very thorough and thought out. I would have to agree with you when put into that perspective. I'm sure most wanted him to work out, but he just didn't. He just doesn't have it. Maybe a change in system/philosophy would help.

I think the best thing we could do for him is release him.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:32 AM

Can you imagine if we were able to pull of the trade to move up and get him like we wanted to?

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:35 AM

I was shamefully behind the Clausen pick once it happened. What is inexcusable is the support he got after his rookie year, and the crowd that didn't want Cam so that Clausen could get another chance, and most of that crowd was ok with getting Luck.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:36 AM

Ben Tate!!!! Four starting running backs baby!!!!

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:37 AM

So instead of an interior defensive lineman or a pass rusher, we have a clipboard holder who makes a two comma income. Not even Marty Hurney would defend that.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:39 AM

Sadly as mentioned, though everyone hoped he would work out, he didn't, But rather than just leave the guy alone he is the favorite kicking toy for this forum.

Seems to me the best way would be to simply ignore him rather than continue to belittle a man who despite his failure in the NFL to date has tons more talent that anyone here commenting on how bad he is, or how his mother should regret giving birth, or all of the other snide remarks that get made. Serves no purpose to continue to insult the guy.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:44 AM

So instead of an interior defensive lineman or a pass rusher, we have a clipboard holder who makes a two comma income. Not even Marty Hurney would defend that.


Did you even read the OP?

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:47 AM

So instead of an interior defensive lineman or a pass rusher, we have a clipboard holder who makes a two comma income. Not even Marty Hurney would defend that.


So if I am reading this correctly, you are referring to two players out of 200 (Cody and Bowman), and you think you could have made a better decision?

PUH-LEEZE

Those two were not even projected to be taken until the late-second/early-third round at THE VERY best. You have a VERY obvious need at QB and you have a QB sitting there in the 2nd that was considered "the most NFL ready" and by some considered a late first-round pick.

So to me that is easy to defend, even under these circumstances.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:49 AM

Clausen doesn't make a 2 comma income on our cap, either. He makes a little over 800,000 this year and 900,000 next year. For a backup QB that is peanuts so he will likely be around unless we can find something even cheaper.

On the flip side, you could have had Taylor Mays, and then converted him to LB, and watched him get hurt again and again but flash potential every now again like Thomas Davis.

That being said, when I look at this draft I feel Cody could have been a good pick. Other than that, the truth is that his year he got drafted was a poor class overall once you hit the second round. It isn't Clausen's fault where he got picked and he was a smart pick at the time. You can not predict people fizzling out.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:49 AM

No.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 11:00 AM

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 11:04 AM

Most of these people that "knew" Jimmy wouldn't pan out in the NFL are also the same people that "knew" the urinal cakes would not be as delicious as they had hoped, but they'll sure as poo make sure to let you know, "HEY! HEY! THAT PISS ROCK TASTED LIKE PISS!"

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 11:05 AM

The Clausen pick was the correct pick for us at the time. Some people just want to get overly creative with their revisionist history.


Even if you don't believe it, you have to admit that without Jimmy, there would be no Cam. That being said, you should be grateful for Jimmy's critical role in Cam's arrival to Charlotte.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 11:08 AM

Was Tony Pike really that much worse than Jimmy?


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