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[panthers55]

you are correct, so lets stop debating and discussing football alltogether.

idiot

The point I am making is stop bitching and acting like you know more than Rivera and the coaching staff who are the guys making the decisions because you don't. You can discuss what you want but don't expect anyone to actually think you know something. You are a name calling fan, nothing more.

[Growl]

Hey guys stop questioning the front office it isn't nice and you may hurt their feelings.

They've clearly shown time and time again that they have everything under control as evidenced by the amount of lombardi's in the Fo.

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[panthers55]

Hey guys stop questioning the front office it isn't nice and you may hurt their feelings.

They've clearly shown time and time again that they have everything under control as evidenced by the amount of lombardi's in the Fo.

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They get big bucks so take insults from fans so have at it. Just don't expect many knowledgeable fans to agree with you.

[panther4life]

This I can respect. However you do seem to try to back up Hurney when we question his moves, and that confuses me as you do seem to understand football.

We just need so much help at positions and we continue to overlook them, while overpaying for others, is very concerning to posters like Kurb and myself.

Hurney does not make any moves independenly of his head coach.


From 02-08 it was all about building a team to make Fox a succesful head coach. We built a roster to his prefences. After Jakes meltdown against AZ, that he never recovered from, Otah not panning out and having no first round pick in 09 our last ditch effort to save Fox we had the worst draft in history. We had decent success, getting to our first superbowl appearance 2 years after being 1-15. Then we made it back to the playoffs 2 more times (05 and 08)and seemed to get crushed by injuries every other year or got stuck in 7-8 win seasons because of Fox's conservative b.s.

recap of the 9/10 years
we traded 09's first for Otah.
then not having a first and needing a pass rusher we foolishly traded 2010's first for Everette Brown.
we used our natural 2nd on Sherrod Martin
then we made another mistake in draft corey Irvin in the 3rd
then the rest was bpa from there on, with a couple hits and a couple misses.
Goodson was ok a 4th
Duke Robinson looked like a steal in the 5th
Fiametta was supposed to be the run blocking machine for Fox's ball control offense
and then Captain in the 7th was a good value for a nickel corner.

After we failed miserably in 09, Jerry said fug this and dropped a poo ton of money in the uncapped year to blow the team up in 2010.

We needed a QB and Clausen looked like a steal in the 2nd, since we blew the previous years first on Everette Brown
Then we tried to get cute by trading the next years 2nd for Armanti
Landed Lafell in the third
Picked up 2 more defensive ends in Norwood and Hardy
got Gettis late

Under Rivera's first year our offense had new life breathed into it and really were not far from having a winning season(less than 10 total plays).And that was without the improved play I think we will see from our 2nd year DT's,combined with Edwards, Beason and Davis being back. All we need is Norman to live up to his potential and boom Captain's back at nickel.

Now we have our entire core locked up and just need to see if Hardy,Fua,Mcclain,Neblett,Alexander,Keiser- can step up on the d-line
Norman, Hogan, Nakumara,Martin can step up in the secondary and we are a complete young team ready to win consistently.

If not one of those guys step up, we have 5 positions at most on D to improve upon FS,CB,DT,DT,DE.

I think at least if at least 1 DT rises up, Hardy can play above average,and 1 corner pans out we will be a playoff team this year.

[CRA]

They get big bucks so take insults from fans so have at it. Just don't expect many knowledgeable fans to agree with you.

I love how you repeatedly claim those who don't agree w/ you.....aren't knowledgeable fans

The point I am making is stop bitching and acting like you know more than Rivera and the coaching staff who are the guys making the decisions because you don't. You can discuss what you want but don't expect anyone to actually think you know something. You are a name calling fan, nothing more.

this issue aside.

NFL coaches, GMs, etc. are humans. Garbage men to attorneys to doctors.....people do silly poo. People some times do glaringly stupid things.....the NFL and FOs are immune to that.

for example, 10 weeks into the 2009 season when Fox claimed Jake gave us the best chance to win. He didn't. Fox had faults. Landing a job as a NFL HC, GM, or your local ice cream delievery man.....doesn't make you immune to being human.

Yeah, big picture they know more in their pinky toe than your typical fan does.....but dumb is dumb.

[panther4life]

Hey guys stop questioning the front office it isn't nice and you may hurt their feelings.

They've clearly shown time and time again that they have everything under control as evidenced by the amount of lombardi's in the Fo.

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Okay for you to not hate your teams GM since 02 when Hurney started your only choices that are still with the team the year they won the superbowl would be.

Jerry Reese-Giants- he's for 2 since taking over in 07(inherited a hell of a team btw)
Mickey Loomis-Saints*-took him 8 years and cheating to win 1 of 1 appearance
Kevin Colbert-Steelers-took him 9 years to get there and he's won 1 and lost 1
Ted Thompson-Packers-took him 6 years and 1 superbowl appearance

so pick one of the above teams and move on.

[nickzz]

The point I am making is stop bitching and acting like you know more than Rivera and the coaching staff who are the guys making the decisions because you don't. You can discuss what you want but don't expect anyone to actually think you know something. You are a name calling fan, nothing more.

rofl...

[Frash Brastard]

Actually Richardson discussed this point when we finished 7-9 in 2009 after having brought in a number of free agents over the past few years. He looked at the fact that other than 2008 where we went 12-4 in the regular season and were summarily kicked out of the playoffs by Arizona, we really have very little to show for that free agent strategy. We have not been to the NFC Championship game since 2005 which was 7 years ago. He stated that if he was going to have losing seasons he might as well go with younger cheaper guys.

Am I a big fan of that strategy? No I am not and had quite a bit to say about it in 2010 when we dumped all the veterans and went on the cheap. But I have learned to accept it as our philosophy for better or worse. I am tired of bitching about something I can't change. Try the serenity prayer, it works for football as well.

Every single time we've made a deep run into the playoffs we were involved in free agency the year prior. In 1996 we brought in Kevin Greene, Wesley Walls, Greg Skrepenak, Eric Davis, all guys that proved to be big time contributers that year.

Before the 2003 season? Okay, um, there was Stephen Davis, Jake Delhomme, Ricky Proehl. Also I can't help but to include Brentson Buckner, Mark Fields, Al Wallace and Jeff Mitchell while we're at it whom were free agent acquisitions from previous seasons.

Before 2005 we added Lucas, Wahle, Marlon McCree and Chris Draft.

Even in 2008 we brought back Moose, signed Keydrick Vincent, and added Tyler Brayton to the roster.

This isn't just something we've benefitted from. The Giants, Packers, Saints*, Patriots, Ravens all improve their roster by upgrading through trades or FA acquisitions. Even when Hurney fleeced Jerry Angelo for Greg Olsen, he said something in the press along the lines of "I went up to Richardson and said 'look I know we've talked about just building through the roster you know'" as if ripping off the Bears was like pulling teeth from our end. What could we have gotten in the third round that would've been as good as Olsen? Free Agency, or even trading, is something to use to gain a competitive advantage, and in this league, winning is priceless. You don't gain any extra credit in prestige for saving money. Money which, by the way, is granted through collective bargaining and isn't even directly coming out of Richardson's pockets.

And it seems to me like this perception of a zen outlook by just accepting every boneheaded philosophy this team has is false because I didn't see a lot of serenity prayer at work on your part last night when you were typing in all caps trying to force every other poster on here to conform to a numb, stepford-like fanbase. If you're prepping up a response re-iterating your point about accepting it because you've got no control over it and that's your bottom line then save your energy because I understand what you're saying, I don't agree with it, and I'm not going to just ballyhoo every single transaction this team makes whether it makes sense or is foolish. I know you understand what I'm saying.

[panther4life]

Every single time we've made a deep run into the playoffs we were involved in free agency the year prior. In 1996 we brought in Kevin Greene, Wesley Walls, Greg Skrepenak, Eric Davis, all guys that proved to be big time contributers that year.

Before the 2003 season? Okay, um, there was Stephen Davis, Jake Delhomme, Ricky Proehl. Also I can't help but to include Brentson Buckner, Mark Fields, Al Wallace and Jeff Mitchell while we're at it whom were free agent acquisitions from previous seasons.

Before 2005 we added Lucas, Wahle, Marlon McCree and Chris Draft.

Even in 2008 we brought back Moose, signed Keydrick Vincent, and added Tyler Brayton to the roster.

This isn't just something we've benefitted from. The Giants, Packers, Saints***, Patriots, Ravens all improve their roster by upgrading through trades or FA acquisitions. Even when Hurney fleeced Jerry Angelo for Greg Olsen, he said something in the press along the lines of "I went up to Richardson and said 'look I know we've talked about just building through the roster you know'" as if ripping off the Bears was like pulling teeth from our end. What could we have gotten in the third round that would've been as good as Olsen? Free Agency, or even trading, is something to use to gain a competitive advantage, and in this league, winning is priceless. You don't gain any extra credit in prestige for saving money. Money which, by the way, is granted through collective bargaining and isn't even directly coming out of Richardson's pockets.

And it seems to me like this perception of a zen outlook by just accepting every boneheaded philosophy this team has is false because I didn't see a lot of serenity prayer at work on your part last night when you were typing in all caps trying to force every other poster on here to conform to a numb, stepford-like fanbase. If you're prepping up a response re-iterating your point about accepting it because you've got no control over it and that's your bottom line then save your energy because I understand what you're saying, I don't agree with it, and I'm not going to just ballyhoo every single transaction this team makes whether it makes sense or is foolish. I know you understand what I'm saying.

How many impactful players on those teams can you name other than Brees that led to their team to a superbowl that were not drafted?? CRA since you like that post you can play too!

btw, if your best players come from free agency, what does that say about your drafting skills?

[CRA]

How many impactful players on those teams can you name other than Brees that led to their team to a superbowl that were not drafted?? CRA since you like that post you can play too!

btw, if your best players come from free agency, what does that say about your drafting skills?

ok. I will go first. I pick Green Bay.

Charles Woodson. He has been an All Pro the last 4 yrs and earned a DPOY award. He was a HUGE part of their Superbowl RING season.

Is that how it works? What do I win? I wonder who is going to name Wes Welker for NE.....

[Frash Brastard]

How many impactful players on those teams can you name other than Brees that led to their team to a superbowl that were not drafted?? CRA since you like that post you can play too!

To start off Darren Sharper and Jabari Greer. The year prior they added Vilma and Shockey through trades and Randall Gay.

btw, if your best players come from free agency, what does that say about your drafting skills?

It's unrealistic for any team to assume they can get more than 2-3 starters out of any given draft. And after the 2nd round you're lucky if anybody you take turns out to be as good as depth.

[panther4life]

ok. I will go first. I pick Green Bay.

Charles Woodson. He has been an All Pro the last 4 yrs and earned a DPOY award. He was a HUGE part of their Superbowl RING.

Is that how it works? What do I win?

CRA, you help me make it make through the boringass work days! For that you win pie.

One player great job!! Who would of knew signing 1 corner would lead to the superbowl, somebody should tell the Eagles that..oh wait

[CRA]

To start off Darren Sharper and Jabari Greer. The year prior they added Vilma and Shockey through trades and Randall Gay.



It's unrealistic for any team to assume they can get more than 2-3 starters out of any given draft. And after the 2nd round you're lucky if anybody you take turns out to be as good as depth.

Sharper is a good one. He had just as much to do w/ that ring as Brees. It was comical the plays Sharper made that year.

[CRA]

okay, what teams are left from the list? Giants and Patriots? How about we look at that 2007 Superbowl matchup since it was so memorable.....greatest NFL offense vs the underdog Giants.

Plaxico Burress - 1000+ yards, 12 TDs
Wes Welker - 1000+ yards 8 TDs
Randy Moss - 1000+ yards 23 TDs

[Frash Brastard]

CRA, you help me make it make through the boringass work days! For that you win pie.

One player great job!! Who would of knew signing 1 corner would lead to the superbowl, somebody should tell the Eagles that..oh wait

Don't forget Ryan Pickett, Tramon Williams and Jarrett Bush.