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Well, yeah. If they cheat we want them punished. For years they've been saying the same thing to potential recruits as they've been saying to rival fans at tailgates; "we're the flagship, we do things the right way, we give kids a great education, we graduate our players." If that's all a sham then we want it exposed. And, right now, it appears to be a sham. Now, I don't want UNC destroyed as an institution or as an athletic department, and I'm not the kind of crazy fan who would poison trees or destroy property over there on the Hill. But this scandal gets at the heart of what UNC folks have always been high and mighty about, so I'm enjoying watching it unfold.

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Please. Don't act like UNC fans wouldn't do the exact same thing if evidence of cheating by State was coming out. Anywhere in the country where two schools this big, this close to each other, who play each other in football and basketball, there's gonna be this kind of fan sniping. Alabama fans still give Auburn fans crap about Newton. Florida fans still talk about "Free Shoes University". If posters on this board had been the ones to uncover the Saints** bounty scandal, we'd be patting ourselves on the back and celebrating just like everyone at PackPride is. I'm sure it sucks to have to deal with bad news about your school's academic scandal that keeps getting dug up by your rivals after your IT professionals leave sensitive data laying around on public websites, but maybe you should be mad at the administration there for A)cheating and B)not doing a better job of covering up the cheating. But don't pretend State fans are doing anything different than what any other's schools fans would do, and don't pretend UNC fans wouldn't be gloating if they brought down the athletic department at State or Duke the same way.

No doubt, you are right... There are members of every fanbase who would do relish the opportunity to do what State fans are doing now with the UNC scandal. That being said, I still find it childish and immature. Why? Maybe it is because I grew up not really pulling for one team over another. I don't get how anyone gets any joy out of that. Rivals or not, I just don't get it. Even as UNC alum, I've never gotten into that whole "Dook" crap or talking down to State fans, because at some point in my life, I was a fan of each team - because of the players. I just happened to end up attending UNC, so I kind of pull for them by default, but I've always been turned off by the amount of homerism our school has garnered - from alumni AND "wal-mart fans."

For whatever reason, I have always been much more impassioned about the pro sports so I completely get the parallel with us as Panthers fans digging up dirt on the Saints*. But, again, I still don't understand why it's so fun for people to do this towards learning institutions, and I never will. I guess it's my sense of regionalism or state pride, because as I said, I pull for Duke and State as well... When they play UNC, that's always a tough one, lol, but I have a sense of pride about each of our local teams because I feel they represent us as a state. That's why I don't get the sniping and middle-school antics going on with this whole scandal.

If UNC students/Wal-Mart fans/alumni were doing the same thing against State, it would be the exact same thing. I would think it's pathetic and I don't want to be associated with any idiot who has nothing better to do than spend hours and hays at a time trying to dig up dirt on a program that they have no involvement in. It's sad. And imo, it's to the benefit of both the ACC and our state that the big three schools stay among the elite in college athletics because it benefits our state. That's why this kind of immaturity and lack of purpose other than pure envy and hate just irks me.

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And after reading the Doyle piece, even more pathetic...

People keep saying they're reveling in this because for so long UNC alumni have looked down on others and boasted about their schools' academic prestige... Well, we have a right to, just as State, Duke, and Wake alumni do.

What is so hard to understand about athletes getting perks for being athletes and a school having a system in place to ensure they stay eligible? You truly believe in your heart that UNC is the only local school doing this? I went to school with and played JUCO basketball with a guy that went to State to play football and ended up leaving for non-academic reasons (I believe he caught a charge). I can tell you for a fact, he had no business getting accepted into State in the first place. If he would've kept himself clean off the field, he would've went through that school, played ball, got a degree and no one adverse word would've been said... He was a cool guy for the most part, but he was not the brightest crayon in the box... Far from it.

Fact is, most schools wouldn't have functioning revenue-generating athletic programs if they followed the rules. Most of the athletes wouldn't be eligible to receive a scholarship coming out of high school or play once they got to college because they are idiots. Someone pulls strings to get them by. EVERYWHERE.

This has just been taken to a whole new level of petty by State fans. I once google searched one of my former classmates/friends a year or so ago to see how he was doing in his sport... One of the first results to pop up? "PackPride." These losers took the time to create threads and posts that lasted for pages and pages speculating why this person was no longer playing baseball. BASEBALL. I REPEAT, BASEBALL! They were actually expressing how much they hoped this kid failed out of school and was no longer playing because he had to fell victim to the academic scandal with the football team. They went on to espouse the narrative that he must've been cheating before and got caught as well.

PATHETIC.

PATHETIC.

PATHETIC.

Baseball gentlemen... College baseball.

Yeah, I'm sure every fan of each school cares enough to try to dig up dirt on baseball players. Smh... It's sad that you feel you can't reach your potential as an institution unless something cataclysmic hits another local program. Seriously, your fanbase is intimidated that badly? I just can't support that type of behavior from any fan, and for college-educated adults, well, that's just plain laughable.

But, I suppose you guys will just keep digging until you feel you're content, most likely when severe sanctions are placed on UNC and you pretty much tarnish the academic integrity of our school and smudge the degrees of people like myself who worked hard to get through school and didn't receive any extra benefit or help, and now have to deal with this crap.

So have at it... But, I can't wait to see some loser dig up crap on your school. Keep thumbing your nose at what's going on over here, but I guarantee you, you're not in the clear, and it will come out.

Who did Mark Gottfried coach under again at UCLA? Harrick? And what happened with Harrick at UCLA and Georgia?

Exactly. No successful program is clean, the ones that don't get caught are better at covering it up. Gottfried didn't get the recruits he's getting by offering them the awesome opportunity of attending such a prestigious institution as THE North Carolina State University. Don't kid yourselves.

Keep digging around like 13 year old schoolgirls, but you better enjoy your run in the meantime... It's just a matter of time before your transgressions come to light.

EDIT: Please excuse any typos. It's hard to concentrate with three children running around and my wife talking to me, lol. Maybe PackPride can find out if I had a private tutor who bailed out on me for this post.

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But, I suppose you guys will just keep digging until you feel you're content, most likely when severe sanctions are placed on UNC and you pretty much tarnish the academic integrity of our school and smudge the degrees of people like myself who worked hard to get through school and didn't receive any extra benefit or help, and now have to deal with this crap.

This. so much this. I'd be dammed if anyone think less of my degree after I busted my ass for it because of some mess that happened with the football team. Just get this mess over with, let us serve our punishment, and move on with our lives.

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I don't think less of anyone's degree(anyone not connected to sports) because of this. But if anyone does feel that way, blame your school, not State fans. To me, this post reads as "my school cheated, how dare these rival fans expose it, now people are gonna question my degree.". Shouldn't you be mad at your own institution? Look, at State, Duke and everywhere else there are easy majors for athletes. But this wasn't about easy majors, this was about FAKE classes. Classes that never met, work that was never done, papers that were lifted entirely from 100 year old books with no citations and given passing grades. This was pure fraud. Now, you might think that when that goes on, everybody should just shut up and deal with it, but the rest of us are tired of hearing about the Carolina Way and tired of losing recruits to Roy Williams telling some kid's momma about how UNC graduates 99% of their athletes. UNC has always maintained that they were different, they were special, and they were the flagship, not like those rednecks down in Raleigh. Now all of a sudden, it's "everybody does it". Well, everybody doesn't do it. And even if they did, what happened to being above all that? What happened to the Carolina Way?

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Yes I'm pissed at UNC this happened, but there still will be people who will think less of UNC. Not saying you do, but in general, I hate the hit on the academic reputation. I went there expecting (and got) a world class education and I don't want the scandal to reflect poorly on the education I got. I don't want it devalued but unfortunately it will get devalued, even if I have nothing to do with it.

Don't ask me about the Carolina Way. And this scandal right now looks like it has NOTHING to do with Roy. Of course, it looks bad but I just want to move on from all this. Yes, I'm mad and yes, I'm defensive over the quality and reputation of the education I received. And I'm tired of hearing about this scandal. We do ahve a lot of pride in the university and this scandal won't sway that pride. Yes, we will get disappointed, but we are all just looking to grow and move on. If that means get rid of the chancellor and restructure the athletic academic advising and reforming the AFAM department, so be it.

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Yes I'm pissed at UNC this happened, but there still will be people who will think less of UNC. Not saying you do, but in general, I hate the hit on the academic reputation. I went there expecting (and got) a world class education and I don't want the scandal to reflect poorly on the education I got. I don't want it devalued but unfortunately it will get devalued, even if I have nothing to do with it.

Don't ask me about the Carolina Way. And this scandal right now looks like it has NOTHING to do with Roy. Of course, it looks bad but I just want to move on from all this. Yes, I'm mad and yes, I'm defensive over the quality and reputation of the education I received. And I'm tired of hearing about this scandal. We do ahve a lot of pride in the university and this scandal won't sway that pride. Yes, we will get disappointed, but we are all just looking to grow and move on. If that means get rid of the chancellor and restructure the athletic academic advising and reforming the AFAM department, so be it.

As a Duke fan with 4 cousin's who got or are in the process of getting degrees from UNC, I don't think any less of them or their education. Its no student's fault that the people ran this whole fraud ring did what they did. Only way I would think less of a UNC student's degree is if they had a degree in the disputed major(AFAM).

And this scandal might have more to do with Roy than you think.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/19794788/north-carolina-cheated-and-prospered-and-now-its-time-for-the-reckoning

Answers are coming, but already we know this: The scandal spanned the decade from 2001-11. Know what happened that decade? The UNC men's basketball team played in three Final Fours. It won national titles in 2005 and '09.

Did any players on those NCAA championship teams attend bogus classes? According to the News & Observer, almost 67 percent of the students in those 54 classes were athletes. Most played football, but the newspaper reported that UNC records showed "basketball players had also enrolled. In two of the classes, the sole enrollee was a basketball player."

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If anyone has a post longer than 1P (aside from diddy and tle) please use TL;DR

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I don't think less of anyone's degree(anyone not connected to sports) because of this. But if anyone does feel that way, blame your school, not State fans. To me, this post reads as "my school cheated, how dare these rival fans expose it, now people are gonna question my degree.". Shouldn't you be mad at your own institution? Look, at State, Duke and everywhere else there are easy majors for athletes. But this wasn't about easy majors, this was about FAKE classes. Classes that never met, work that was never done, papers that were lifted entirely from 100 year old books with no citations and given passing grades. This was pure fraud. Now, you might think that when that goes on, everybody should just shut up and deal with it, but the rest of us are tired of hearing about the Carolina Way and tired of losing recruits to Roy Williams telling some kid's momma about how UNC graduates 99% of their athletes. UNC has always maintained that they were different, they were special, and they were the flagship, not like those rednecks down in Raleigh. Now all of a sudden, it's "everybody does it". Well, everybody doesn't do it. And even if they did, what happened to being above all that? What happened to the Carolina Way?

But you guys are writing the rules as you go. Do you all know for sure who had knowledge of this? Do you know how far it went up? Do you know for certain how widespread it was across sports? NO, NO, and NO. And neither do I.

I believe those who knew are gone.

If you want some cold hard truth, I know first hand of one bball player who thought he was too good to show up to a class and the prof failed him. And from what I heard, he even tried to "pull rank" so to speak and she still failed him. You know what dept. this class was in? Exercise and Sports Science. The one dept. that should look out for athletes above all others, and my prof gloated about failing him because he was such a jackhole.

He was the exception. I had one class with three basketball players all together one semester. Each of them showed up and each of them participated whether they wanted to or not. Also, I started noticing after awhile that in each of my classes that I happened to take with a player (especially basketball players), an elderly gentleman would come by and peek into the class and wave at them or point to them... Obviously, making sure they were where they were supposed to be.

Again, this isn't just about UNC, Staters just want to make it about that. Can you explain to me how the guy I played JUCO with ever got into State despite being as dumb as a brick? Someone had to bend rules somewhere, because it's no knock on him, but I doubt he could even write his name on the SAT. Guess what? He flunked out of JUCO. How was he ever accepted into State?

You guys want to talk about Jim Valvano? Chris Washburn?

Cheating is cheating, no matter what color you prefer.

Hate continues to blind so many from the fact that if you are landing top recruits, you are bending rules, most likely making up classes, and boosting grades. I'm not excusing it, but I'm tired of my school getting crapped on when they are far from the worst "violators" of NCAA rules. They just got caught... Meanwhile, it will continue to go on rampantly at every sports powerhouse in the NCAA until some rival or bitter former player rats on them. And regardless of what you say, it doesn't matter if you don't think any less of my degree (and no, I didn't major in AFAM, lol), what matters is that the more this crap gets stirred up, many people will. And THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO.

At big-time athletic powerhouse schools, there is two distinct populations - students and athletes. They each are expected to live up to their own set of rules, with athletes having to abide to very few, b/c of who they are. If you think any different, even at State, you're kidding yourself.

I appreciate your respectful tone, but the whole issue needs to be let go... Like I said, if you think State is clean RIGHT NOW, you're extremely naive... And how would you like everyone to start sniffing around your school - especially "Wal-Mart" Heel fans, as you like to call them - and start posting something almost weekly, hoping to diminish what you accomplished?

I beat the odds, I worked hard, much harder than most silver spoon-fed, old money having yuppies ever did to get where I am today, so I'm not going to apologize for taking umbrage to these wholly encompassing insults and accusations towards my alma mater.

If these idiots who keep digging it up earned a valid education and weren't student athletes, they should back off out of respect for their peers - whether we went to different schools or not.

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As a Duke fan with 4 cousin's who got or are in the process of getting degrees from UNC, I don't think any less of them or their education. Its no student's fault that the people ran this whole fraud ring did what they did. Only way I would think less of a UNC student's degree is if they had a degree in the disputed major(AFAM).

And this scandal might have more to do with Roy than you think.

http://www.cbssports...r-the-reckoning

I had many friends who were AFAM majors who busted their ass to get that degree. It wasn't nearly as easy as it seemed. Most (that I'm aware of) combined it with another major (psychology, for example) and a t one point in time, I'd thought I'd major in it since I was a bit interested in the subject material. Those people will be most affected by the scandal, the ones that worked hard for a degree that may be next to worthless when this is all said and done. I've heard other people say shut down the department, but I know it'll cause more hell than it will solve problems. I will ask some of them what do they think about the investigation and if they think their degree will be devalued.

We'll have to see about Roy. He does keep athletes in class and I had some classes with the b-ball team. They all came and did their work.

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But you guys are writing the rules as you go. Do you all know for sure who had knowledge of this? Do you know how far it went up? Do you know for certain how widespread it was across sports? NO, NO, and NO. And neither do I.

I believe those who knew are gone.

If you want some cold hard truth, I know first hand of one bball player who thought he was too good to show up to a class and the prof failed him. And from what I heard, he even tried to "pull rank" so to speak and she still failed him. You know what dept. this class was in? Exercise and Sports Science. The one dept. that should look out for athletes above all others, and my prof gloated about failing him because he was such a jackhole.

He was the exception. I had one class with three basketball players all together one semester. Each of them showed up and each of them participated whether they wanted to or not. Also, I started noticing after awhile that in each of my classes that I happened to take with a player (especially basketball players), an elderly gentleman would come by and peek into the class and wave at them or point to them... Obviously, making sure they were where they were supposed to be.

Again, this isn't just about UNC, Staters just want to make it about that. Can you explain to me how the guy I played JUCO with ever got into State despite being as dumb as a brick? Someone had to bend rules somewhere, because it's no knock on him, but I doubt he could even write his name on the SAT. Guess what? He flunked out of JUCO. How was he ever accepted into State?

You guys want to talk about Jim Valvano? Chris Washburn?

Cheating is cheating, no matter what color you prefer.

Hate continues to blind so many from the fact that if you are landing top recruits, you are bending rules, most likely making up classes, and boosting grades. I'm not excusing it, but I'm tired of my school getting crapped on when they are far from the worst "violators" of NCAA rules. They just got caught... Meanwhile, it will continue to go on rampantly at every sports powerhouse in the NCAA until some rival or bitter former player rats on them. And regardless of what you say, it doesn't matter if you don't think any less of my degree (and no, I didn't major in AFAM, lol), what matters is that the more this crap gets stirred up, many people will. And THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO.

At big-time athletic powerhouse schools, there is two distinct populations - students and athletes. They each are expected to live up to their own set of rules, with athletes having to abide to very few, b/c of who they are. If you think any different, even at State, you're kidding yourself.

I appreciate your respectful tone, but the whole issue needs to be let go... Like I said, if you think State is clean RIGHT NOW, you're extremely naive... And how would you like everyone to start sniffing around your school - especially "Wal-Mart" Heel fans, as you like to call them - and start posting something almost weekly, hoping to diminish what you accomplished?

I beat the odds, I worked hard, much harder than most silver spoon-fed, old money having yuppies ever did to get where I am today, so I'm not going to apologize for taking umbrage to these wholly encompassing insults and accusations towards my alma mater.

If these idiots who keep digging it up earned a valid education and weren't student athletes, they should back off out of respect for their peers - whether we went to different schools or not.

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The reporter obviously has some sort of racial agenda here. Why is he only targeting certain classes? Why are the teams with a higher percentage of minorities only being examined? Why isn't the men's soccer team (who won the NC this year) and the extremely successful baseball program not being hassled? Smart trolls pick their battles, I guess.

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