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Breaking down Jonathan Stewart's deal


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#145 frash.exe

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:53 PM

Whatever gets you to stop posting

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 05:50 AM

Ok let's go down the list of every single team you put down then, because coming up with 17 teams that you can conclusively say we're more talented than in like 5 minutes is amateur.


Hey friend, I hate to break it to you, but everybody posting on this board is an amateur. Including yourself. The whole acting like a dick thing doesn't make you a professional sports writer, though I guess it does give you something in common with a number of them.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 05:58 AM

Oh great, good to know our resident oppressive franchise sycophant has checked into this thread.

How'd the last few days treat you since you got all butthurt the last time I owned you in a debate, pantherclaw?


If you owned him in a debate, why are you the one that's butthurt?

I think you're doing it wrong, bro.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 06:16 AM

I think when talking passing rushing percentages you have to discuss teams by scheme. For example New Orleans Philly, and Green Bay are WCOs who short pass as their running game. Their 2 and 3 yard dumpoffs are simply extended handoffs which are more like a pitch or run than a true pass. So they tend to inflate the ratios. but even with that said, the Saints** passed 59% of the time. And that appears to be the upper end for teams. So while it is true that most teams pass more than they run, it isn't as if teams can simply pass without developing a good running game unless they want to be susceptible to being one dimensional which is one of the reasons the Patriots have not won the Superbowl despite being in it two times recently. They are susceptible to teams with good pass rushes.
And for those saying that defense wins Super bowls not offense, two of the last 3 winners had much better offenses than defenses. But I digress.

The Panthers are going to run a spread scheme this year focusing on the run option. They are rather unique in that no other team runs this scheme as much as we do so honestly I don't know why we want to emulate a WCO offense or focus on the passing game to the exclusion of the running game which is our bread and butter. And for those who say we are killing our pass defense by spending too much on the running game, we will be spending around 11,000,000 which is less than 10% of our cap on double trouble in 2013. This is less than the 13,000,000 cap hit for Charles Johnson alone in 2013 which is as it should be given that DEs get the big bucks.

How do we compare running versus passing? Last year we passed 52% of the time. So the difference between a passing team like New Orleans and a big time running team like the Panthers is roughly 8% or 6-8 more passes a game. That isn't that different really. Maybe 1 more pass per drive or conversely 1 more run. Nor is the money committed to the running game between the two. New Orleans has committed around 9 million to the running game in 2012 which is about 2 million less than we have committed. Hard to see what all the fuss it about.

good info on the contract numbers.

i've looked at the the real differences between so called passing teams and so called running teams and except for a couple extremes on either end there really isn't a big difference between the two. people make too big of a fuss about this being a passing league. sure, it leans to the pass a bit more but it's not that extreme...coming from a fox team it is, but for the rest of the league it really isn't. i found the same thing you found...it's only a matter of an extra passing play or two a game.

the league isn't abandoning the running game or putting it on a back burner as much as people make it out to be. that's more media hype. teams are passing more than they have, but not drastically. you can look at rankings for who ran more or less and it looks like there is a big disparity between them, but when you look at the actual numbers per game, there just isn't the big spread the rankings would have you think.

we don't run all that more than most teams in the league, we just run better.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 07:53 AM

Here is how these reactions usually go after a player like Stew is signed.

If we sign him, it was a bad move. If we let him walk, ppl curse Hurney bc he let him walk.

It was a good signing people. Hurney knows what hes doing.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:26 AM

good info on the contract numbers.

i've looked at the the real differences between so called passing teams and so called running teams and except for a couple extremes on either end there really isn't a big difference between the two. people make too big of a fuss about this being a passing league. sure, it leans to the pass a bit more but it's not that extreme...coming from a fox team it is, but for the rest of the league it really isn't. i found the same thing you found...it's only a matter of an extra passing play or two a game.

the league isn't abandoning the running game or putting it on a back burner as much as people make it out to be. that's more media hype. teams are passing more than they have, but not drastically. you can look at rankings for who ran more or less and it looks like there is a big disparity between them, but when you look at the actual numbers per game, there just isn't the big spread the rankings would have you think.

we don't run all that more than most teams in the league, we just run better.


This is why I have no problem extending DWill and Stew. It doesn't matter that they play running back. What matters is that they are important parts to how we play offense...

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:29 AM

Please turn back the level of dickishness in this thread. FFS people.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:31 AM

Please turn back the level of dickishness in this thread. FFS people.

you mean pissing matches aren't welcome?

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:35 AM

I mean call people child abusers and saying how stupid XYZ is b/c they disagree with you is getting on my nerves now.


Disagreement and debate is welcome, resorting to name calling is not.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:35 AM

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 10:58 AM

That's just redickulous.

#156 rayzor

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 12:31 PM

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