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#46 Montsta

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:29 PM

I look at it like this. NO had what appeared to be zero cap room and still managed to retain most of their talent AND sign Brees to a record deal. According to that article we may only have 18 guys in that scenario, but they are all starters and HUGE pieces to what RR is trying to build. They will restructure whomever needs to be restructured, cut dead weight and money, and pick up ancillary pieces on the cheap, just as they've done for 17 years. Hell, as recently as this year there was a major panic because we were somehow like $6MM over the cap, and not only managed to get under it, but got $8MM under it and resigned Stewart, whom most on here thought was 100% going to be gone due to the Williams deal. That's why I don't stress it until its time to stress it. Not because I'm a "Hurney Magikz!!1!!1" guy, but because things seem to work themselves out financially for this team for as long as I've been a fan of it.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:31 PM

And I do think we will find a way to sign Cam. I just don't know how we will ever be able to make any significant upgrades on defense with all our money tied up on the other side of the ball. We better hit on defensive draft picks from here on out.


I doubt Cam will care that a team wanting to pay him long term doesn't have the means to signficantly address trying to build a championship caliber roster quickly around him. This isn't my first BBQ, what will seal the deal is Cam knowing we can run the ever living poo out of the football here.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:31 PM

lol you act like questioning the front office affects my whole life. This a fan board....where you talk about the team. Just because I say I think they are screwing up doesn't mean I'm in panic mode or my whole life is going down the drain. If you let things like this bring you down, you have issues. But questioning something is completely normal.

you can question without worrying or stressing over it.

you threw out that blanket "if you aren't worried, you're an idiot" stuff. i just threw it back.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:33 PM

better hang on to clausen so we have a starter when hurney fugs up the cap and cam leaves for dallas

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:33 PM

I doubt Cam will care that a team wanting to pay him long term doesn't have the means to signficantly address trying to build a championship caliber roster quickly around him. This isn't my first BBQ, what will seal the deal is Cam knowing we can run the ever living poo out of the football here.


I disagree with that. Cam doesn't take losing very lightly. If we aren't a contending team, I could see a scenario with him wanting to leave.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:33 PM

Is it being an idiot to have an opinion about it?

did i say anything about having an opinion about it?

did i say anything about not questioning the management?

a big nope on that.

dude said that if you aren't worried about it then you're an idiot. i disagree. like i said, worrying about things you have no control over is more idiotic.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:36 PM

It's how Hurney creates job security. He creates a cap mess that only he can get out of so he can't get fired for other dumb-ass decisions. :P

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:36 PM

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:38 PM

I disagree with that. Cam doesn't take losing very lightly. If we aren't a contending team, I could see a scenario with him wanting to leave.


I think that post you were responding to was sarcastic. Implying why Cam would want to be on a team that didn't have a great supporting cast to win in this league.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:41 PM

I look at it like this. NO had what appeared to be zero cap room and still managed to retain most of their talent AND sign Brees to a record deal. According to that article we may only have 18 guys in that scenario, but they are all starters and HUGE pieces to what RR is trying to build. They will restructure whomever needs to be restructured, cut dead weight and money, and pick up ancillary pieces on the cheap, just as they've done for 17 years. Hell, as recently as this year there was a major panic because we were somehow like $6MM over the cap, and not only managed to get under it, but got $8MM under it and resigned Stewart, whom most on here thought was 100% going to be gone due to the Williams deal. That's why I don't stress it until its time to stress it. Not because I'm a "Hurney Magikz!!1!!1" guy, but because things seem to work themselves out financially for this team for as long as I've been a fan of it.


Tell me, how have those 17 years gone for us?

I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just tired of the same old thing. Yes, we can restructure these deals. But the bad contracts still put us in bad situations. It's like we're fighting to keep our head above the water every year.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:42 PM

The cap numbers are high, sure.

But do people honestly think JR and Hurney are dumb enough to hand out contracts like its Madden, without having any kind of plan/knowledge of what they're going to do a year or two from now and beyond? Call me a dreamer, but I'm thinking they're going to make the cap space to sign Cam and all the key pieces of the team.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:44 PM

Tell me, how have those 17 years gone for us?

I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just tired of the same old thing. Yes, we can restructure these deal. But the bad contracts still put us in bad situations. It's like we're fighting to keep our head above the water every year.


Certainly there has been ups and downs, but not to the point of panicking IMO.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:44 PM

Carolina already was looking at salary-cap trouble in future seasons. With Stewart’s deal, the Panthers now have $134 million committed toward the 2013 salary cap. The exact cap figure won’t be determined until next spring, but it’s safe to say the Panthers are at least $10 million over where the limit will be. They’re getting up there with the Philadelphia Eagles, who have a league-high $140 million committed toward next year’s cap.

It gets even worse as you look ahead to 2014, when the Panthers have $144 million committed toward the cap. Only the Eagles ($145 million) already have more cap space committed.

Heck, the Panthers already have $110 million committed toward the 2015 cap and that’s with only 18 players already under contract for that year.


What is there to worry about?

1) I am highly doubtful Cam will be resigned until the end of the 2014 Season at the very least. The Panthers can't resign him per the CBA until after next season, and they signed him to a 4 year deal with a team option for a 5th. They wouldn't even have to franchise him until after the 2015 season. And I doubt it comes to that

2) The salary cap is expected to sky-rocket in 2014 when the new TV money hits. The Panthers will probably not be active in free agency next off-season, but outside of that, there is nothing in the Stewart deal (or D-Will's for that matter) that will preclude them from doing anything long-term. Those numbers out in 2015 are basically worthless in the grand scheme of things. Guys like D-Will, Gamble, etc will probably either restructure, be cut, etc. by then

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:46 PM

There have already been reports saying the cap won't jump as high as initially anticipated with the new TV deals.

However, you do bring up a good point about Cam. The team option will allow us to delay the big deal (unless he holds out).

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:48 PM

by 2015, the big numbers for CJ, Kalil and Beason will be the reason. Time for new contract negotiations.


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