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[Stumpy]

Searched and did not find this anywhere, but saw a recent Football Outsiders post on the worst Offensive/Defensive/Special Teams scores in NFL history according to their newest crown jewel metric, DVOA 7.0.

Which, bee tee dubs, the 2010 offense ranks in the bottom 12 in almost every major category. Although surprisingly, our historically terrible special teams has never once cracked the bottom 12.

In the intro to the post, they have a rundown of the new metric, as well as a link to their updated all-time offenses by category.



Obviously, we have never had the most prolific passing offenses. Some good seasons but never all-time good.

The Rushing Offense rankings were what I was interested in. I hoped maybe the 2008, 2003 or even the 2011 Panthers might crack the top 12.



Dayumm! 2011 Carolina Panthers, arguably the best rushing attack of all time!
(#1 in DVOA6, #2 in DVOA7)

And what did we do to address our offense in 2012? A versatile hybrid-back who can do it all, and replaced one of the worst rated run blocking guards in the league with a roadgrading monster in Silatolu.

Passing league or not, anytime you can make major upgrades to an all-time great offensive unit, You're on the verge of something special.

[megadeth078]

b-b-but it's a passing league.

[DOMOMAN]

A post with actually statistical backing to a fairly sober and non-extravagant point.. i must check for a blue moon and I totally agree, And it's not like our opponents last year didn't stack the box and begged Cam to throw it

[CRA]

b-b-but it's a passing league.

RBs/FBs ran a grand total of 304 times......that is a franchise low. That was less than almost every single team in the NFL in terms of attempts by members of the backfield (potentially the fewest number of attempts - as I haven't verified).

Cam Newton effect. QB driven league with a position altering QB.

[SCP]

I find it hilarious that New Orleans did not crack the top in the new DVOA rankings in passing. suck it Saints*.

[Chaos]

Nice find, and we can always count on a dig at the dirty Saints* from SCP, no matter what the thread topic. A+

[PhillyB]

well done. the league had better watch the fug out.

[Peppers90 NC]

can't be all time when this list only goes back to 91

[Calculus Entropy]

Hope 2012 run offense blows this list the fug up

[Brooklyn Bully]

6-10

[Frash Brastard]

It's simply a metric on how efficient the running game is.

St. Louis's 2000 running game is right next to us. With a pass/run ratio of 631/383, is anybody going to confuse them with a running team? Or rather a balanced team?

also, the quote which the OP failed to post that was very telling...

There's more moving up and down here than on the passing table, because the leaguewide "raw VOA" of the running game was a lot lower back in the late 90's. Teams may be running less now, but they are running much more efficiently. You'll notice that the 2010 Eagles and 2010 Patriots both fall out of the top dozen altogether once we've normalized for each year. (The Eagles are now 16th, the Patriots 17th.)

obviously, you're going to run better with less attempts, especially if you have a very good QB.

[Captain Obvious]

THIS IS A QB driven league now. Soon to be a 7 on 7 league with flags. Keep beating the drum CRA I'm with ya. Freaking RB's who needs them they should only block.

[CRA]

THIS IS A QB driven league now. Soon to be a 7 on 7 league with flags. Keep beating the drum CRA I'm with ya. Freaking RB's who needs them they should only block.

I just find it funny our RBs touched the ball at an all time low.....and people are using the Cam Newton effect to claim we were wise to continue to over invest in the backfield.


I didn't see 2008 or 2009 on that top 10 list when Double Trouble were the heart and soul of the offense.

[megadeth078]

Good luck on that "Cam is the only reason our offense is good" argument, CRA.

Keep at it. You'll convince us all one day.

[CRA]

Good luck on that "Cam is the only reason our offense is good" argument, CRA.

Keep at it. You'll convince us all one day.

Find a post where I said that? LOL.

Cam Newton was a HUGE part in our ground attack being the most efficient in franchise history (and arguably NFL history)....is what I have repeatedly said. Reducing his role intentionally is silly.

I have also said, Cam + half Doube Trouble was enough to have the best attack potentially in the league