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Where does the 2011 Panthers rushing offense rank all-time?

Wahh... GM pays stud RBs We are still a running team!

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#16 megadeth078

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:54 PM

Opposing teams having a season's worth of our game film couldn't possibly make it difficult for Cam to repeat the success of last season, right? Cam is just going to magically come out of nowhere and surprise the league all over again because teams don't bother game-planning these days anymore. They just tie up their laces and see what happens. We really should focus on making our offense completely one-dimensional, solely focused on Cam because there's no way teams will do their homework and be ready this time around.

I mean, who does that? study film? It's only a game.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 07:00 PM

Opposing teams having a season's worth of our game film couldn't possibly make it difficult for Cam to repeat the success of last season, right? Cam is just going to magically come out of nowhere and surprise the league all over again because teams don't bother game-planning these days anymore. They just tie up their laces and see what happens. We really should focus on making our offense completely one-dimensional, solely focused on Cam because there's no way teams will do their homework and be ready this time around.

I mean, who does that? study film? It's only a game.


Who has said we should have a one dimensional offense? Not me.

Cam is a physical mismatch and has potential to be one of the biggest in NFL history. A years worth of game field ain't gonna change that. Plus he did all that on the fly.... isn't like Cam isn't going to know more just l like Ds

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 07:17 PM

A year's worth of game film will change that. What are you nuts? You must think Chud just sat on his ass all offseason and is content on using the same playbook he used last season. Cam is talented, but he isn't Jesus. There's really no reason to expect his success to be a guarantee, especially when he's getting ready for only his second season in the league. Teams will have plenty of film to dissect our offense and will be ready with ideas on how to shut us down.

This offense has to evolve to remain competitive. Yes, that means it's not going to look the same as it did last season. If Chud believes the key to improve upon last season's offense is for Cam's role as a "weapon" to get smaller, then so be it. This whole "We should do exactly what we did last season, except win the Super Bowl" idea of yours is just a ridiculous thing to expect in this league. I'm glad you aren't our offensive coordinator.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 07:21 PM

A year's worth of game film will change that. What are you nuts? You must think Chud just sat on his ass all offseason and is content on using the same playbook he used last season. Cam is talented, but he isn't Jesus. There's really no reason to expect his success to be a guarantee, especially when he's getting ready for only his second season in the league. Teams will have plenty of film to dissect our offense and will be ready with ideas on how to shut us down.

This offense has to evolve to remain competitive. Yes, that means it's not going to look the same as it did last season. If Chud believes the key to improve upon last season's offense is for Cam's role as a "weapon" to get smaller, then so be it. This whole "We should do exactly what we did last season, except win the Super Bowl" idea of yours is just a ridiculous thing to expect in this league. I'm glad you aren't our offensive coordinator.


You are just making up stuff. Or course Chud will continue to expand and open up stuff.

My point is a mismatch is a mismatch. A years worth of film isn't going to suddenly make
Cam not the unique nightmare he presents to teams.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 07:21 PM

I just find it funny our RBs touched the ball at an all time low.....and people are using the Cam Newton effect to claim we were wise to continue to over invest in the backfield.


I didn't see 2008 or 2009 on that top 10 list when Double Trouble were the heart and soul of the offense.

Double trouble have had more combined snaps in 2011 then any other year. The fact that there not running the ball as frequently doesnt mean they arent having a simlar level of importance.

I dont see how it isnt wise. How is signing these two guys wrong? Its only going to improve the offence.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 10:07 PM

Double trouble have had more combined snaps in 2011 then any other year. The fact that there not running the ball as frequently doesnt mean they arent having a simlar level of importance.

I dont see how it isnt wise. How is signing these two guys wrong? Its only going to improve the offence.


Fact remains they probably saw the field together 10 times all year. Talent, sitting, watching....

Double Trouble is great. But a luxury. There are more important positions we need to worry about going forward. Not sure why this fanbase cares so greatly about having the best backup RB in the NFL as we continue to develop more holes seemingly every season at important positions.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 10:26 PM

After the first two games last season you would get crucified here for suggesting that the team needed to run more...people just wanted to see Newton throw for 400 yards every game.

Now you get crap thrown at you if you don't agree that the team needs so much invested in running backs.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 12:15 AM

It's simply a metric on how efficient the running game is.


Yes and it is normalized by how efficient every other team in the league is for that year...

St. Louis's 2000 running game is right next to us. With a pass/run ratio of 631/383, is anybody going to confuse them with a running team? Or rather a balanced team?


I never said that St. Louis was a running team. That Rams team also still holds the record for most passing yards in a season.

I said that we had one of the most efficient rushing attacks in the, as someone above pointed out, last 21 years.

The 2000 Rams had one of the all-time greatest rushing and passing offenses in league history. Our passing offense was barely even in the top half of the league, last year, in DVOA.

also, the quote which the OP failed to post that was very telling...

obviously, you're going to run better with less attempts, especially if you have a very good QB.


So, the fact that we had the 2nd most efficient ground game, out of a sample size of 645 teams, based on a metric that measures efficiency by league average for that year, in a time when running efficiency is at an all-time high, league wide; somehow that makes it less impressive?

Do you read what you type?

The league wide efficiency of both, passing and rushing, only makes it more impressive seeing teams like us and the Pats up that high on these lists.

And to that, we have re-signed one of the best backs in the league, and added, what should be, 2 major upgrades to our ground game. I think it is safe to say what direction Chico and Chud want to go with this team.

Anybody who thinks that we just invested $50+m and a 2nd round pick in 3 integral pieces of our rushing attack, to heave the ball 40+ times a game, is functionally retarded.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 01:11 AM

I never said that St. Louis was a running team. That Rams team also still holds the record for most passing yards in a season.

I said that we had one of the most efficient rushing attacks in the, as someone above pointed out, last 21 years.

It was a point made against anybody using this to reinforce their misguided opinion that we're still a running team or should be. It didn't have to include you for me to say it.

The 2000 Rams had one of the all-time greatest rushing and passing offenses in league history. Our passing offense was barely even in the top half of the league, last year, in DVOA.

That doesn't mean teams weren't threatened by Cam at a certain point enough to make an effort defending the pass. Remember, he still threw for 4,051 yards, and that was after his production had cooled somewhat. Also you're forgetting that the Panthers had something like the most plays over 20 yards out of any team in the league last season. They ended up 5th in the league in pass completions over 20 yards. If you're a team playing defense against a passing offense like this you have to respect that threat.


So, the fact that we had the 2nd most efficient ground game, out of a sample size of 645 teams, based on a metric that measures efficiency by league average for that year, in a time when running efficiency is at an all-time high, league wide; somehow that makes it less impressive?

Do you read what you type?

What did you get your dick caught in a sling now because somebody made a point that doesn't confer with your drum-beating about how this stat makes it worth the contracts? First of all I doubt we crack that list without Cam's own running ability figured into it. His presence simply helped the running game produce at the rate that it did. He rushed for almost as many yards as Stewart. He rushed for more touchdowns than both our top running backs combined. He was 2nd in the entire fuging league in rushing touchdowns. He kept teams from stacking the box against them unlike in 2010. Besides that, let me ask you this hypothetical so you can understand exactly what I'm talking about, barring any other difference in offensive personnel, do you think a running game can be more productive with Drew Brees than with Chad Henne? Your answer should be yes. Now assume that Drew Brees hypothetically had the running ability to produce yards and points similar to Cam. That would go a long way to raising DVOA.

The league wide efficiency of both, passing and rushing, only makes it more impressive seeing teams like us and the Pats up that high on these lists.

And to that, we have re-signed one of the best backs in the league, and added, what should be, 2 major upgrades to our ground game. I think it is safe to say what direction Chico and Chud want to go with this team.

Anybody who thinks that we just invested $50+m and a 2nd round pick in 3 integral pieces of our rushing attack, to heave the ball 40+ times a game, is functionally retarded.

There's a difference in doing what you want to do, and doing what you have to do to win a game. Did you think Rivera wanted our tackles to get blown off the line almost every single running play against our defense last year? Did Rivera want to scale down the defensive playbook and make it more conservative because, as things turned out, we didn't have the personnel to run it properly (and we still might not) and were getting burned by Jeff King? Does any team necessarily want to start throwing the ball every down when they're down by 14 in the fourth? In this league nobody gets to do exactly what they want, and they all make adjustments in order to get back in the game. I highly doubt with a significant scoring deficit Ron's going to ignore the fact that we have a future premier QB on our offense and keep calling handoffs. You don't force reps to players regardless of the game situation and whether or not it's beneficial because of the money you've spent. It goes both ways. For instance, if you're up by 30 with 5 minutes left in the game, why the fug do you still need Cam to keep dropping back?

The first time we get down by multiple scores this season I'd like to see you act surprised and go "but why aren't they calling dive plays when we have the outstanding running backs to do it". Everybody's going to make bitch threads when we lose games about how Williams and Stewart didn't get enough carries now more than ever (like they do multiple times every single year) and that's the moment they'll realize how stupid this investment really was.



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Posted 17 August 2012 - 01:25 AM

WTF are you even talking about now. No one is saying we are going back the John Fox patented, run right, run left, draw, punt offense.

We have a truely innovative OC, a (hopefully) HOF WR and a true NFL dual threat QB. Of course we will pass the ball.

But we also have one of the most imposing ground attacks in the last 20 years, and have only improved it.

RR has repeatedly talked about dictating the game on offense and imposing their will on teams. Based on where we are investing our $/picks, I think its pretty obvious what that will will be.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 01:32 AM

You can't dictate a game, no matter how many people tell you otherwise, especially with a point deficit. That's just not the way this game works. Every QB makes audibles, every coach makes adjustments even if they have a lead based on what their opponent is doing. "Imposing your will" isn't a strategy, it's a result if you know what your opponent is doing and can circumvent their efforts.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 01:41 AM

They say you can't rush for a Super Bowl. Well.. maybe not with just one back...

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 02:33 AM

Fact remains they probably saw the field together 10 times all year. Talent, sitting, watching....

Double Trouble is great. But a luxury. There are more important positions we need to worry about going forward. Not sure why this fanbase cares so greatly about having the best backup RB in the NFL as we continue to develop more holes seemingly every season at important positions.


So? The fact that they had less snaps in years prior , means they had more time to "sit and watch" in those years then they ever did in 2011. If talent wasted is defined by talent sitting and watching from the sidlines, then 2008-2010 wasted more then 2011.
The fact is we took advantage of there abillity and used them more then any other year since there inception.

How are the signings and holes related? What is it realistically preventing us from doing? For the next couple years no major Carolina players are heading into FA. The draft isnt a expensive. And In the ten years of the Hurney era we have rarley been a team that signs big market FA.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:18 AM

6-10


Which had nothing to do with our defense, right?

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 06:16 AM

Anybody who thinks that we just invested $50+m and a 2nd round pick in 3 integral pieces of our rushing attack, to heave the ball 40+ times a game, is functionally retarded.


2011 - we gave DeAngleo a monster deal. Our RBs then proceeded to rush the ball a franchise low number of times. Name a team in the NFL whose RBs had less rush attempts in 2011?

As a rookie Newton averaged 32 pass a attempts per game, factor in sacks they were asking him to do it roughly 34 times a game. In addition, he ran slightly over 7 times a game. So last year, over 40 times a game the ball was in the QBs hands asking him to make a play.


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