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#1 DirtyMagic97

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 06:56 PM

I have been in discussion with a few people regarding the topic of the student athlete. Clearly, a lot of student athletes struggle with academic ineligibility.

So my question becomes, should players at the collegiate level be allowed to "major" in the sport they are playing? With students being given degrees in theatre and other nonsensical crap, why should athletes not be allowed to major in the sport of their choice? Please discuss.

#2 Darth Biscuit

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 07:03 PM

They either need to go one way or the other...

Make requirements the same for all college students whether you play sports or not, and actually enforce it... Or go the other way and do something like what you suggest and make it where athletes aren't necessarily students.

The current system is a complete joke.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 07:14 PM

They either need to go one way or the other...

Make requirements the same for all college students whether you play sports or not, and actually enforce it... Or go the other way and do something like what you suggest and make it where athletes aren't necessarily students.

The current system is a complete joke.


It certainly needs to be fixed. There is a definite problem.

Perhaps the schools could have the kids take classes in coaching, leadership, stadium management, etc... Just let them actually take classes that relate to their interests and can have a lasting impact on their careers. Not to mention, probably a bit easier.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 07:42 PM

Sounds fair to me... They need to stop pretending to care about these kids and do right by them. As most everything else, its all about the money.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 10:15 PM

I agree, I mean if you can major in drama why cant you major in football? Hell, maybe more NFL/ NBA players could learn how to not blow through all their professional earnings if they had classes geared toward them in college

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 06:41 PM

I agree. Put in some classes on financial management and such to help them if they make the big time, and put in classes on coaching, management, marketing, and communications to help them if they fizzle out or blow out a knee.

Just makes too damn much sense.

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 06:44 PM

Here's an idea: let's have minor leagues for kids that want to play pro football or basketball and don't give a crap about school. Then let's let kids who want to play in college play in college, but enforce real standards and make them actually go to class. This is how baseball works, you can get to MLB either by going to the minors straight out of high school or by playing in college. I don't think we need to lower standards for athletes, give them special majors or pay them. If they want to be college athletes they should be college students, period. There should be another option for those who aren't interested in college.

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 06:47 PM

Also, only a tiny fraction of players actually go pro, even from the power programs. So the guy who majors in football and doesnt get drafted is seriously gonna be up s*** creek. Not that he wouldn't be anyway if he doesn't study, but not sure we should create a major just for the one percent of players who actually go pro.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 06:03 AM

Okay, but does this apply to every athlete on campus with an athletic scholarship? Like those on the swim team, volleyball team, lacrosse, track and field, women's basketball? Or, are you going to treat the basketball and football players differently because those are the major sports and those athletes seem to be the ones just going through the motions of attending classes?

For example, a track runner probably attends his classes and probably has a real student workload and likely carries a "real" major that will allow him to find a job after school- while the football player has a pie schedule, takes a minimum of classes that mean nothing, etc., does the football player get preferential treatment?

Stop altogether with the notion that most of the B-ball and football players are students- they're not so let's stop with the ostrich syndrome, pull your head out of the sand and understand they are there to make money for the school as football and basketball players. They are employees of the school, should be paid as employees and let real students sit in those classroom seats now occupied by the athletes.

They work on a minimum 2-year, non-guaranteed contract and when their playing days are finished, they have the option to return to that school and get a degree if they find out they will not or cannot make it in the professional field of endeavor they chose (NFL or NBA), at no cost. A governing body sets a pay scale so every D1 QB makes the same amount of money, for example. Or, every player, regardless of position makes the same money. And we're not talking serious bucks, we're talking the difference between Triple A and the majors kind of pay.

We need to stop judging schools and athletes by transcripts, classes taken or not, etc. It's a hypocritical joke, although I find it hilarious Mr. Potato Head is likely more intelligent than Julius Peppers, to even begin discussing "academic eligibility."

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 07:27 AM

Stop altogether with the notion that most of the B-ball and football players are students- they're not so let's stop with the ostrich syndrome, pull your head out of the sand and understand they are there to make money for the school as football and basketball players. They are employees of the school, should be paid as employees and let real students sit in those classroom seats now occupied by the athletes.


A majority of athletic departments don't make a profit. Even within FBS, only about half of all athletic departments make a profit, the rest operate at a loss. So the idea that football and basketball exist for the purpose of making money for the school is wrong. College football and basketball existed long before the big TV contracts and BCS bowls. College football and basketball still exist, at many schools, as an athletic competition between real students from the competing institutions. Some kids don't want to be college students, they just want to be pro athletes. That's fine, that's why I think we should have minor leagues. But the idea that we should create professional teams loosely connected to the university inested of amateur teams made up of student athletes is absurd to me.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:22 PM

A majority of athletic departments don't make a profit. Even within FBS, only about half of all athletic departments make a profit, the rest operate at a loss. So the idea that football and basketball exist for the purpose of making money for the school is wrong. College football and basketball existed long before the big TV contracts and BCS bowls. College football and basketball still exist, at many schools, as an athletic competition between real students from the competing institutions. Some kids don't want to be college students, they just want to be pro athletes. That's fine, that's why I think we should have minor leagues. But the idea that we should create professional teams loosely connected to the university inested of amateur teams made up of student athletes is absurd to me.


I've seen those same articles and "studies," but they leave out all the numbers. Not included in the revenues are the TV contracts, bowl game revenues, conference incentives, etc. Some of the biggest numbers available are not included.

College football and basketball are the minor leagues for the NFL and NBA. Simply calling it professional in your terms and calling it the minor leagues on my terms are no different. Stop with the "amateur" stuff- you're as much as an idealist as I once was.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 01:18 AM

I'm an online student and play slow pitch softball