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That is the point. No one outside of Smitty did poo. Doesnt matter why. That makes us thin at WR.

Hope and potential doesn't make you not thin.

I think the meat of his argument is that if we had traded for C. Johnson, Fitzgerald and A. Johnson in the offseason your statement would still be true. Our receiving corps outside of Smitty would have only had 800whatever yards, blahblahblah for us last year. But no one would be calling us thin at receiver...

When we have so many new/returning (that didn't have the chance to contribute last year) faces that stand to contribute, regardless of what you think they'll actually do, stats for last year's group outside of Smitty are irrelevant.

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I think the meat of his argument is that if we had traded for C. Johnson, Fitzgerald and A. Johnson in the offseason your statement would still be true. Our receiving corps outside of Smitty would have only had 800whatever yards, blahblahblah for us last year. But no one would be calling us thin at receiver...

When we have so many new/returning (that didn't have the chance to contribute last year) faces that stand to contribute, regardless of what you think they'll actually do, stats for last year's group outside of Smitty are irrelevant.

That is silly. We don't have anyone proven outside of Smith as a #2.... You don't need Megatron to have a deeper and more proven WR corp.

The fact our WRs outside of Smitty haven't done much isn't irrelevant when looking at this team on paper. Which is what he was doing.

I think LaFell steps up this year...I think limited opportunity is all that held him back last year. But you can't fault someone from looking at these guys outside of Smitty and not being impressed.

On paper, a Smith injury is devastating. On paper, a Williams injury is nothing. It is what it is.

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i think lafell has proved plenty. his lack of numbers doesn't phase me because this is a spread offense with a lot of targets. we just aren't going to have a couple 1,000 yard receivers or really anything close to it. beyond smitty, we have quite a few very reliable receiving targets and that is all that is needed...that and a system and QB that will get the ball to them.

people are looking for another star WR to go beside smitty. the only problem is that the system won't really allow for it.

sure, beyond smith and lafell we have question marks. i just have more faith in those question marks than you do.

if smith goes down, the WR corps may not be feared quite in the way they would have been, but the offense will still be fearful all the way around and it's because of the system and the quality of talent on that offense. it won't be the death of the offense the way it would have been in the past. i have no doubt that the other players would step up. not that we'd have someone take all smith's targets and TDs, but it will be spread out among the other players.

schein is talking out of his ass...again.

Offense wouldn't scare many people with out Smitty. We would be a rushing attack with little big play threat vertically.

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disagree but whatever.

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disagree but whatever.

Okay, hypothetically speaking, who provides our big play potential downfield in our passing attack that can dictate what teams do defensively?

Teams can survive it. Houston for example last year....they ran when their threat went down but they had a top tier D to pull that off. Running teams that win need great defensive play.

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Murphy and LaFell are the only two behind Smith that have done anything at all in this league, and that's not saying much. Murphy looks the part but will need to catch up to a complicated offense quick. LaFell is a solid role player but I wouldn't expect a huge leap in his stats this year. He just doesn't have the speed. I'd consider 800 yards and 6 TDs a fantastic year for him. I'm just hoping Murphy eventually takes the #2 role with LaFell able to step in if he gets hurt, because there's a guy with big play potential, and a monster in the run blocking game. He just can't stay healthy is the issue.

Saying there's nothing behind Smith is somewhat true, but could be a non-factor once the year starts. At least Keary Colbert and Drew Carter aren't the teams #2 and #3 receivers...

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it wouldn't be just one person. it would be a committee approach, but with no proven commodities so you'd probably crap all over it but from the outset i'd say murphy, adams, and gettis (once he gets back in) would be enough to provide that deep threat. i see us altering and adapting what we do and i see it still being very effective. this offense isn't going to live or die because of any one player missing not named cam newton.

the guys running the offense have an ability to adapt to what they have and they'll do it quite well.

can that be backed up "on paper" or by using stats from last year or whatever? nope. i don't think it's necessary. it's all opinion and speculative anyway.

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That is silly. We don't have anyone proven outside of Smith as a #2.... You don't need Megatron to have a deeper and more proven WR corp.

The fact our WRs outside of Smitty haven't done much isn't irrelevant when looking at this team on paper. Which is what he was doing.

I think LaFell steps up this year...I think limited opportunity is all that held him back last year. But you can't fault someone from looking at these guys outside of Smitty and not being impressed.

On paper, a Smith injury is devastating. On paper, a Williams injury is nothing. It is what it is.

I don't disagree with your point, I don't fault a national writer for not knowing much about our receivers outside of Smitty. I'm just saying the argument that we're thin because guys we have now didn't produce for us last year isn't a good one.

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I don't disagree with your point, I don't fault a national writer for not knowing much about our receivers outside of Smitty. I'm just saying the argument that we're thin because guys we have now didn't produce for us last year isn't a good one.

Well, it isn't just that they didn't produce last year.....none of them have ever proven to be anything more than a #3. I jus get that ONE point he made. He can call us thin at WR.

The rest of what he said is bologna

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"Newton's the most talented of the bunch, but Carolina's a last-place team"

"Cam Newton is the best player, Carolina is a last-place team"

I've been worried that sports writers would give Newton heaps of praise this season, but take a dump on our team.

I follow the Panthers closely, and I'm not a homer, we have the talent imo to compete with ATL, N.O, and TB. None of those games should be blowouts, we should be right there with them in the 4th quarter fighting for a win. N.O is the best team talent and experience wise, but injuries, turnovers, or just a B game from them can give us the edge to win.

N.O - SB level team.

ATL - Playoff team.

CAR - Playoff team.

TB - No idea.

Repeating "last place team" is total B.S.

The Saints* are not a SB level team this year, and the Falcons can't win a playoff game.

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Our receivers have to include Smith, LaFell, Olsen and Stewart. Those are the guys catching the ball. The fact that one is listed as a running back and the other is a tight end is irrelevant. We don't have a typical offense so why are we being compared to them? As for who we added, both Murphy and Tolbert were upgrades in the passing game and Adams is going to be a stud in the slot this year. You don't have to follow the Panthers that closely to know that. Any unbiased source should know that while we didn't bring in a big name receiver, we surely upgraded the passing game overall.

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That is the point. No one outside of Smitty did poo. Doesnt matter why. That makes us thin at WR.

Hope and potential doesn't make you not thin.

"out of a pool of brandon lafell, randy moss, jermichael finely and hakeem nicks, the panthers weren't able to eclipse 800 yards in 2011."

^ what's wrong with that argument? only one of those fuging people played on the panthers in 2011. and that is the exact argument you just made.

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