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#16 Mage

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 05:09 PM

I would give you a LIKE because I agree with most of what you said. But seeing how quickly it looks like the Colts are bouncing back under Luck so far this preseason, I wondering either the team intentionally "suck for Luck" or the Colts never thought much of building up their back up QBs like other teams do.

But you also raise an interesting question. Is it the QBs talent that makes them irreplaceable or the over all coaching of the team that makes them look good or both?


COLTS WERE DECLINING EVEN BEFORE MANNING GOT HURT. THEY LOOKED AWFUL AT TIMES IN 2010. AND THE TEAM IN 2011 IS THE NOT THE SAME TEAM MANNING HAD IN HIS PRIME WHEN HE HAD EDGE JAMES (HALL OF FAME CALIBER BACK), MARVIN HARRISON (ONE OF THE GREATS OF ALL TIME), REGGIE WAYNE (ROUTINELY TOP TEN IN THE LEAGUE), A BRILLIANT OFFENSIVE MIND, AND A VERY SOLID OFFENSIVE LINE. ON TOP OF THAT, MANNING HAD THE SAME OC HIS ENTIRE CAREER. BRADY HAS DEALED WITH MANY DIFFERENT SYSTEMS AND MANY DIFFERENT OCS. SO HOW IS BRADY A SYSTEM QUARTERBACK IF HE HAS PLAYED IN THREE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STYLES OF OFFENSES?

Had to put it in all caps and bold because I really want this answered. If Brady is a system quarterback, how has he been able to play great in, at the very least, 3 different systems with, at the very least, 3 different OCs and make a SB app and multiple #1 seeds in all three?

Seriously, I thought people were done with this "System QB" argument. It is obvious he isn't - he's played in completely different systems throughout his career.

Better yet. Let me ask this question. Montana played in the same system his entire career, the West Coast. He retires, Young steps in and plays like a HOFer. So is Montana a system QB too? No, he isn't. But yet somehow it only pops up for Brady. So maybe people are just hating, likely scenario. Or maybe they do think Montana is a system QB, which means they are an idiot. Or maybe they just don't know football.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 05:12 PM

Anderson looked good because hes back in Chud's offense. He looked good there in Clevland but once they parted ways Anderson sucked. Thats why im worried about Cam once Chud leaves.

Hopefully it had to do more with the type of offense in Anderson's case rather than Chud himself. It seems like this type of Offense is what Rivera wants in Carolina, so im hopeful for Cam.


Don't listen to these people and don't worry about Cam.

Madden is not real life. The OCs just don't control the QBs with a controller. Newton was the one making those terrific throws and reads, not Chud.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 05:48 PM

At this point Brady is replaceable. I think Mallet could be just as could. He looked awesome starting their last game.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 06:05 PM

It doesn't debunk anything. Cassell in 2010 threw for 27 touchdowns to 7 interceptions. He was very good, even better than he was in New England. Not to mention New England had a ridiculously easy schedule that year. They got smashed when they played good teams sans the Colts and when they played the Colts, they struggled moving the ball.

Anybody who thinks Rodgers might be a system quarterback might be an idiot.

Maybe Flynn just had a lucky game? Matt Moore looked Manning-lite at the tail end of 2009 and look where he is now.

I said it lends to system talk. Also when you say system that includes scheme and type of players in that scheme. Would Flynn have thrown for 480 and 6 TDS with lets say Cleveland. We dont really know but I guarantee you that most people will say no he wouldn't do that.

How about Mike Shanahan running backs? He has ran a proven system that you can only call a system with many examples showing that it is a system.

And if you watch College schemes and how they translate to the NFL, with a few exceptions, you definitly see a system at work. Systems do exist. Some player are a product of that. For Rodgers and Brady this is undoubtably not the case. But to say system players don't exist might make someone else an idiot

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 06:18 PM

COLTS WERE DECLINING EVEN BEFORE MANNING GOT HURT. THEY LOOKED AWFUL AT TIMES IN 2010. AND THE TEAM IN 2011 IS THE NOT THE SAME TEAM MANNING HAD IN HIS PRIME WHEN HE HAD EDGE JAMES (HALL OF FAME CALIBER BACK), MARVIN HARRISON (ONE OF THE GREATS OF ALL TIME), REGGIE WAYNE (ROUTINELY TOP TEN IN THE LEAGUE), A BRILLIANT OFFENSIVE MIND, AND A VERY SOLID OFFENSIVE LINE. ON TOP OF THAT, MANNING HAD THE SAME OC HIS ENTIRE CAREER. BRADY HAS DEALED WITH MANY DIFFERENT SYSTEMS AND MANY DIFFERENT OCS. SO HOW IS BRADY A SYSTEM QUARTERBACK IF HE HAS PLAYED IN THREE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STYLES OF OFFENSES?

Had to put it in all caps and bold because I really want this answered. If Brady is a system quarterback, how has he been able to play great in, at the very least, 3 different systems with, at the very least, 3 different OCs and make a SB app and multiple #1 seeds in all three?

Seriously, I thought people were done with this "System QB" argument. It is obvious he isn't - he's played in completely different systems throughout his career.

Better yet. Let me ask this question. Montana played in the same system his entire career, the West Coast. He retires, Young steps in and plays like a HOFer. So is Montana a system QB too? No, he isn't. But yet somehow it only pops up for Brady. So maybe people are just hating, likely scenario. Or maybe they do think Montana is a system QB, which means they are an idiot. Or maybe they just don't know football.


I'm missing your point..why did you include someone else's quote with what I said?

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 06:24 PM

they don't know football



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Posted 23 August 2012 - 06:58 PM

dude, you mad bro? I just said that Brady wasn't a golden god. calm down, just my opinion, like assholes, everyone has one.

I choose to believe that Brady is a great QB in an even better system. Deals with it.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 07:58 PM

I said it lends to system talk. Also when you say system that includes scheme and type of players in that scheme. Would Flynn have thrown for 480 and 6 TDS with lets say Cleveland. We dont really know but I guarantee you that most people will say no he wouldn't do that.

How about Mike Shanahan running backs? He has ran a proven system that you can only call a system with many examples showing that it is a system.

And if you watch College schemes and how they translate to the NFL, with a few exceptions, you definitly see a system at work. Systems do exist. Some player are a product of that. For Rodgers and Brady this is undoubtably not the case. But to say system players don't exist might make someone else an idiot


I know what you said. I simply responded that anyone who thinks Rodgers is a system QB might happen to be an idiot. It is obvious he isn't.

And show me where I said system players didn't exist? Where did I say systems don't exist? I clearly even said in the post above Brady has played in plenty of different systems. I don't even know where you are getting that from. I know what a system is. I know what a system player is. But I do know Rodgers and Brady are not one of them.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 07:59 PM

I'm missing your point..why did you include someone else's quote with what I said?


Because you said you agreed with him. So I'm asking not only you but anyone willing to answer how Brady is somehow a system QB despite the fact he's played in 3 different offenses (at least) with 3 different OCs (at least) and excelled in all three.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 08:03 PM

dude, you mad bro? I just said that Brady wasn't a golden god. calm down, just my opinion, like assholes, everyone has one.

I choose to believe that Brady is a great QB in an even better system. Deals with it.


You implied that Brady was a system QB. I'm asking how that is so.

Which system is "God" in New England? All 3 of them? Because Brady has played in multiple different systems and excelled in all 3. Which leads me to think that Brady, not the system, is actually the reason for their success. This is a discussion forum. If you don't have a response for it sans "just my opinion," cool. But I'd like to know from someone how somehow the system, not Brady, is the reason for New England's success despite the fact that since 2001, there has been only one constant on that field and that is Brady. The systems have changed plenty. Unless I'm to believe all 3 systems just happened to be some legendary system.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 09:12 PM

Wasnt Chud Assistant HC in SD? Too far fetched to think he gets the same kinda role here and stays for a while?

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 10:08 PM

You implied that Brady was a system QB. I'm asking how that is so.

Which system is "God" in New England? All 3 of them? Because Brady has played in multiple different systems and excelled in all 3. Which leads me to think that Brady, not the system, is actually the reason for their success. This is a discussion forum. If you don't have a response for it sans "just my opinion," cool. But I'd like to know from someone how somehow the system, not Brady, is the reason for New England's success despite the fact that since 2001, there has been only one constant on that field and that is Brady. The systems have changed plenty. Unless I'm to believe all 3 systems just happened to be some legendary system.


You're expecting people to be interested in such silly facts?

People just don't like him because he wins and he looks pretty. They are not going to look past those things to try to have a real discussion.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 11:23 PM

lil tidbit on Aaron Rodgers... Flynn stepped in 2 times and Basically outperformed Rodgers over a 2 game span. This lends to system talk.. and the Matt Cassel thing in NEgood and now KCterribad kinda debunks your Brady theory... though I agree with you just putting that out there.


cassel has as many good seasons in KC as in NE.