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2013 = Best DT Draft Class ever?

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Looking through next years potential draft, i see up to 6 guys (And so does Todd McShay/Football Outsiders) who could go in the first round, and there is enough to suit your every need, giant raw 3-4 Noses like John Jenkins (6ft4/365) and Jonathan Hankins (6ft3/335), stout run gobblers with a bit of pass rush for a 4-3 scheme like Star Lotuleli (6ft3/320), Sylvester Williams (6ft2/320) and Kawann Short (6ft3/325) + a traditional 3-tech in Bernie Logan (6ft3/290)

Considering DT is our biggest need at the moment in my book, it would be very likely that atleast one of these men will be available in the bottom of the first (where we will be drafting ofcourse)

Question i would like to pose, is what do we need? do we need a man-mountain like Jenkins, or a more rounded DT like Lotuleli?

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Does that include the 3-4 DE's from LSU ? They could end up as 4-3 DTs

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i'm always skittish of any DT taken early, esp. in the first round. if 6 are taken early, it would be safe to say that only 1 or 2 actually live up to their potential and i would expect only one to actually make an impact their first year. i don't know who that would be, just that i wouldn't get too excited.

i hope we don't draft on need (though i'm probably going to be arguing for certain players that are positional needs.

i'm guessing we take the BPA between DT, CB, WR, S, and OT....and a lot of that depends on what happens this year.

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[quote name='Kurb' timestamp='1346331812' post='1877451']
Does that include the 3-4 DE's from LSU ? They could end up as 4-3 DTs
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Mingo will not be a DT, but maybe Montgomery but he is so good as a rass rusher.

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Should be pretty damn good

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Jon Hankins should be considered well rounded as well because he play every spot on the DL.he has athletism threw the roof and has even line up at DE in OSU 4-3 look last year.

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I really hope we aren't in position to draft Lotulei....

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Kawann Short, please. Hopefully late in the first.

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[quote name='rayzor' timestamp='1346333635' post='1877485']
i'm always skittish of any DT taken early, esp. in the first round. if 6 are taken early, it would be safe to say that only 1 or 2 actually live up to their potential and i would expect only one to actually make an impact their first year. i don't know who that would be, just that i wouldn't get too excited.

i hope we don't draft on need (though i'm probably going to be arguing for certain players that are positional needs.

i'm guessing we take the BPA between DT, CB, WR, S, and OT....and a lot of that depends on what happens this year.
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DTs have the highest bust ratio than any other position in the 1st rd.

Currently Poe is third string and Fletcher Cox has been nothing to talk about. Im not saying either are busts but such is the DT learning curve as we saw with Fua and Mcclain.

Hopefully we shore up thie DT position bc I still see no.1 WR and LT being a soon to be priority. Secondary too.

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DTs have the highest bust ratio than any other position in the 1st rd.

Currently Poe is third string and Fletcher Cox has been nothing to talk about. Im not saying either are busts but such is the DT learning curve as we saw with Fua and Mcclain.

Hopefully we shore up thie DT position bc[b] I still see no.1 WR and LT being a soon to be priority. [/b] Secondary too.
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God bless you!!!

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i'll keep on saying this, i'd rather we address DT in FA or via trade rather than take a huge gamble on one in the draft.

it takes too long to develop them and it's just too important to risk such a high pick on something that is so likely to bust.
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2013 draft is also looking real good for safeties with a 1st or 2nd round grade.

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[quote name='Murph' timestamp='1346349217' post='1877753']
2013 draft is also looking real good for safeties with a 1st or 2nd round grade.
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Yep. Lester, Jefferson, Rambo, McDonald, Reid, the list goes on.

To be honest Amerson looks more like FS than a CB to me. I can see him transitioning to that to the NFL. Just don't see us in position to take him.

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I'd rather go with a pass rusher, TBH. That's our biggest need, IMO.

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I love how so many are absolutely terrified of adding first round talent to a position that hasn't had an impact player since Kris Jenkins.
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[quote name='Second City Panther' timestamp='1346361533' post='1877988']
I'd rather go with a pass rusher, TBH. That's our biggest need, IMO.
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Right there with you. Other than Johnson the other guys are just that. the other guys. We need someone that comes in and rushes like he's on bath salts. To either take Johnsons place or be a complimenting peice to CJ.

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DT is definitely not our biggest need. I would draft a top WR or top CB over a DT
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[quote name='kdrh5' timestamp='1346380775' post='1878762']
I love how so many are absolutely terrified of adding first round talent to a position that hasn't had an impact player since Kris Jenkins.
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where you getting terrified from?

it's called being pragmatic. it's called being wise. it's called not throwing away a 1st round pick on a position that is more prone to bust because you are desperate to fix that.

if i want a kris jenkins, i'll go out and get one...one that is proven. i'm not going to go and spend that pick on a position that takes too long to develop and has such a high chance of failure. you call that scared? meh....it's just smart and it's better than being stupid which is what setting your sights on a DT just because of need would be.

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I really don't see a problem with drafting a DT in the first if that player happens to be the BPA and fills a major need. Even Kris Jenkins cost a second round pick. Setting your sights on a DT because of need isn't stupid, it just means you want to improve in that area and a first round pick, and all the risk that comes with making that pick, may be necessary. It doesn't automatically mean we'd be "throwing away" anything, especially if it's the right player.

But all things considered, cb might be the best route to go in the first next year.

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Unless there's another Suh in this coming draft. You better get a DE or CB first round.

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Our DT play sucked last year but I think we can build a serviceable unit out of guys currently on the roster. Can't say the same about the pass rush or secondary.

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Whelp, guess my point is moot after the events of today. BPA it is.

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Much rather take a Safety next season. We wanted Mark Barron but he was off the board, so we settled for kuechley. Not that he was a bad selection, but the front office thought shoring up the safety spot was more important. I think thats the direction we head in the draft next year.

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Matt Elam will suffice

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Reid from LSU looks solid.

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