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#76 FirstRoundPick

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 09:43 PM

NFL.com seems to track fumbles as fumbles regardless of which team recovers it. It has D-Will at two fumbles which seems to be accurate. He had one where Olson recovered.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 09:51 PM

Texans

1st punt - Downed by HOU at 26
2nd punt - 34 yard return - Adams
3rd punt - out of bounds

So again, where is the fumble? You keep making up stuff.

Joe Adams didn't lose a fumble against any team but Pitt on than one punt.


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Posted 01 September 2012 - 09:55 PM

Are you drunk? I have repeatedly acknowledged he has one fumble. It was against Pitt.

I am disagreeing with all your other fictional fumbles.


Nary a drop.

And that stat you so love. Is Fair Catches. Which is 1. Nothing to do with muffs or fumbles. Which are not listed on Panthers or NFL.

So muffs, when a player does not actually catch the ball, does not count against the PR? May not be a stat. But I don't trust a guy that can't catch consistently.

Ah hell, can't wait to see who catches the first punt against Tampon Bay. Come on AE. Just so the Huddle can fap. And Adams can learn a lesson. More the latter, cuz I really don't want AE on PR.

But I will defend to the time to go to bed. My right to call BS. So I expect it in return. Just thought I would be wrong when it finally happened.

Adams is shaky personified. And I hate it.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:01 PM

You are just posting words.

Name the quater and game Joe Adams lost a fumble outside of the Pitt game.

You said - Miami - which was false
You then said Texans - which is false.

Joe Adams lost one ball. One turnover. You falsely claimed he had several turnovers.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:03 PM

You are just posting words.

Name the quater and game Joe Adams lost a fumble outside of the Pitt game.

You said - Miami - which was false
You then said Texans - which is false.

Joe Adams lost one ball. One turnover. You falsely claimed he had several turnovers.



4 at first then changed it to 5.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:03 PM

I'm still willing to make that bet. He is the starting PR on Panthers.com for goodness sakes. I think it is weaselly how you backed out of the other conditions because the guy who get the most play is the starter, but doesn't matter because I still like my chances.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:06 PM

Texans

1st punt - Downed by HOU at 26
2nd punt - 34 yard return - Adams
3rd punt - out of bounds

So again, where is the fumble? You keep making up stuff.

Joe Adams didn't lose a fumble against any team but Pitt on than one punt.


He didn't lose it but he muffed a kickoff in the end one but picked it up. Adams' ceiling as a return specialist vs Edwards' is obvious, but he does have an issue with ball security. Repeatedly stating that he has only one turnover does not negate the high potential that his inability to cleanly field the ball may cost us dearly this season.

The question posted earlier holds water... How much of a premium should be placed on 5-10 yard improvement in average return yardage vs ball security given the potency of our offense?

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:07 PM

I'll admit Adams has had turnover issues, but it was an exaggeration to say he averaged one a game bad.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:08 PM

You are just posting words.

Name the quater and game Joe Adams lost a fumble outside of the Pitt game.

You said - Miami - which was false
You then said Texans - which is false.

Joe Adams lost one ball. One turnover. You falsely claimed he had several turnovers.


I think you're interpreting what he's saying as "turnovers". At least that's the impression that I get from you saying "lost a fumble". Hubby is just referring to times that he let the ball hit the ground. Muffed punts that are immediately picked up and fumbles that are immediately recovered by the initial ball carrier are not tracked as "fumbles" in official statistics (in most cases). If you don't remember Adams letting the ball hit the turf on more than the one official fumble then you have a very bad memory.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:12 PM

We struggled at QB so long, that we overate the heck out of the one we have. Its ok to have the worse PR in football, we will score anyway.

Maybe, Mare could have hit a few more FG's if we got him 5-10 yards closer.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:14 PM

He didn't lose it but he muffed a kickoff in the end one but picked it up. Adams' ceiling as a return specialist vs Edwards' is obvious, but he does have an issue with ball security. Repeatedly stating that he has only one turnover does not negate the high potential that his inability to cleanly field the ball may cost us dearly this season.

The question posted earlier holds water... How much of a premium should be placed on 5-10 yard improvement in average return yardage vs ball security given the potency of our offense?


I know he did....was just waiting to see if this guy could even name that one. He did muff a kickoff....but this guy claimed he fumbled 4 punts.

Given the fact our D will still be weak....O needs all the help they can get to put up points. It is more than just PR average....the longest PR last year was a league low 17 yards....how many times did Adams break that in preseaon? That will help Cam and the O. Would be huge to get those returns when the O hits slumps like they did in the 2nd half of games last year.

Like I said, you want a legit playmaker....you deal with some errors. Cam, Smitty, Williams....they all have their moments as well. It is the Armanti Edwards type guys who simply can't make an error.

Will Adams make some boneheaded plays? Absolutely. He did at Ark. Big plays make up for it. PRs are rare and a natural thing for some....he looks the part out of the gate. Easy call IMO.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:22 PM

Lost in Armanti's 2011 return average is the number of punts fielded inside the 20 due to our inadequate defense. Very rarely were our opponents kicking from deep within their own territory... Deion Sanders couldn't have done more with the majority of his opportunities.

I'm with you in hoping that Adams is the home run hitter that we've lacked for almost a decade. If he continues to put the ball on the turf, however, I don't believe he is worth the risk.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:24 PM

I think you're interpreting what he's saying as "turnovers". At least that's the impression that I get from you saying "lost a fumble". Hubby is just referring to times that he let the ball hit the ground. Muffed punts that are immediately picked up and fumbles that are immediately recovered by the initial ball carrier are not tracked as "fumbles" in official statistics (in most cases). If you don't remember Adams letting the ball hit the turf on more than the one official fumble then you have a very bad memory.

He was very specific in one of his posts...he definitely claimed 2 were lost to opponents. As for the rest, you could be right.

and we were talking about punt returns....so his KO muff may have some merit to it in terms of the big picture but wasn't included in PR discussion.....bc it wasn't a PR.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:28 PM

Lost in Armanti's 2011 return average is the number of punts fielded inside the 20 due to our inadequate defense. Very rarely were our opponents kicking from deep within their own territory... Deion Sanders couldn't have done more with the majority of his opportunities.

I'm with you in hoping that Adams is the home run hitter that we've lacked for almost a decade. If he continues to put the ball on the turf, however, I don't believe he is worth the risk.


One of the greatest return men in NFL history couldn't of done much more than Armanti last year?

Okay, I give up.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 11:19 PM

Even if the delusional guy was right about the phantom fumbles that Adams doesn't have, pointing out that someone else sucks doesn't mean AE is good.

AE is awful and won't be on an NFL roster in a few weeks.


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