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#16 Khyber53

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 02:51 PM

Somehow, with only 53 spots on the roster -- 22 starters, a long snapper, a kicker and a punter locked in, Marty, Coach Rivera, Chud and our Wide Receivers coach think that Armanti should be on the team and he should get a paycheck each week.

But about 50 scrubs on a forum board or two think we ought to cut him and erase his name from the team's roster.

I'm no genius, but I'm guessing the decision-making folks in the first paragraph no a crap load more about football and player potential than anyone on this forum. They probably know a lot more about Armanti, too.

I think I'll trust their instincts. There sure were a lot of folks a year and a half ago that wanted Hurney's head for taking Newton with the #1 draft pick. We know what kind of geniuses those folks were.

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 02:57 PM

Hurney attempted to trade up to get Clausen. He drafted him. That was dumb. Both attempting to trade up and drafting him. Hurney may know more about football than I....but NFL GMs are no different than any other profession. Which means, they will and do STUPID things despite the knowledge they may have.

Clausen plays just like he did at Notre Dame.

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 03:30 PM

Clausen plays far worse than he did at Notre Dame.


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Posted 02 September 2012 - 07:38 PM

I'm not an Armanti fan or an App St homer, but him still being here really doesn't bother me for several reasons.

1. Project WR- I knew he would be a 2-3 year project, anyone who though going from glorified high school running QB would be an overnight success as a NFL WR is just stupid.

2. Wasted time- not Armanti's fault he was stuck with an apathetic John Fox in a lame duck season and practically ignored. Also not his fault that his first legit chance to learn was cut short by CBA negotiations. He's had one real off season, IMO.

3. Improvement- he's shown quite a lot of it, whether you want to admit it or not. He still have a ways to go, but he's come a long way given the two circumstances listed above.

4. Athleticism- this is the one redeeming qualities that kept me from absolutely hating this draft pick. He didn't choose to be drafted where he did and at that price, but he's freakishly athletic and it's starting to show in spots on the field. His burst is exceptional, once his confidence catches up, if it ever catches up he can be a versitile weapon.

Opportunity- we're not exactly stacked with WR talent. It's not like he's keeping a more proven guy off the team and he does provide a little depth at gimmick option and PR depth.

I consider myself to be somewhat indifferent when it comes to AE, but for the reasons listed above I don't have a problem with holding onto him for another season. He kept a guy that COULD develop that wasn't practice squad eligible and still stashed a few guys on the PS who showed promise. (Green, Bryant)

Was AE worth the pick? Probably not, though it's too early to definitively say no, outright. Was he worth what Hurney gave up? See last answer. Is he here just so Hurney can save face? I don't think so, but if he can't pick up the ability to catch in traffic, attack the ball with his hands at the highest point and master some of the nuances of the position then I would fully expect him to be unemployed come this time next season

IMO, if you want to bitch and moan about a wasted roster spot, see Jimmy Clausen.

I was going to put this in one of the other countless AE threads, but we have a week until we trounce Tampa, so why not clutter the front page some more?

Thoughts?

Edit: this was written on an iPhone while dropping a very substantial and impressive post surgical deuce, forgive my grammatical shortcomings.



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Posted 02 September 2012 - 07:43 PM

I agree, converting a QB to a WR isn't going to result in an immediate stud WR and return man......but Armanti's pace in converting has been an utter joke being a 3rd round pick.

First 2 seasons of some the more recent coverted QBs and what they did as a WR/returner (those since 2000)

Armanti Edwards (3rd round investment)
WR- 0 rec, 0 yards, 0 TDs
Returner - 211 yards, 0 TDs, 11 yard KO avg, 5 yard PR avg.

Josh Cribbs (undrafted)
WR - 11 rec, 98 rec yards
Returner - 2644 yards, 2 TDs. 24 yard KO avg, 8 yard PR avg.

Julian Eldeman (7th round investment)
WR - 44 rec, 445 yards, 1 TD
Returner - 625 yards, 1 TD, 21 yard KO avg, 14 yard PR avg.

Brad Smith (4th round)
WR - 41 rec, 386 yards, 2 TDs
Returner - 187 yards, 18 yard KO avg.

Antwann Randel El (2nd round)
WR- 84 rec, 853 yards, 3 TDs
Returner -1998 yards, 3 TDs, 21 yard KO avg, 9 yard PR avg

Matt Jones (1st round)
WR - 77 rec, 1,075 yards, 9 TDs

Ronald Curry (7th round)
WR - 5 rec, 31 yards
Returner - 68 yards. 22 yard KO avg.


So it is fair to say Edwards is a project and we shouldn't expect a QB to be a great WR/return man quickly...but he is a failing project right now. We spent a 3rd on a guy who has done less than any noteworthy QB to WR/returner in recent time. So it isn't stupid to suggest he should of done more at this stage. Suggesting he should be better isn't claiming he should be AJ Green with PP's return ability.



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Posted 02 September 2012 - 07:48 PM

Somehow, with only 53 spots on the roster -- 22 starters, a long snapper, a kicker and a punter locked in, Marty, Coach Rivera, Chud and our Wide Receivers coach think that Armanti should be on the team and he should get a paycheck each week.

But about 50 scrubs on a forum board or two think we ought to cut him and erase his name from the team's roster.

I'm no genius, but I'm guessing the decision-making folks in the first paragraph no a crap load more about football and player potential than anyone on this forum. They probably know a lot more about Armanti, too.

I think I'll trust their instincts. There sure were a lot of folks a year and a half ago that wanted Hurney's head for taking Newton with the #1 draft pick. We know what kind of geniuses those folks were.


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Posted 02 September 2012 - 07:49 PM

His right what?

Oh, it should read "You're damn right."

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 07:54 PM

LOL ^^

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 07:56 PM

His right what?

Oh, it should read "You're damn right."



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Posted 03 September 2012 - 07:32 AM

I'm glad he's here because it pisses so many know-it-alls off around here.

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 07:32 AM

I'm glad he's here because it pisses so many know-it-alls off around here.

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 07:38 AM

Upon opening... I was like oh hell, here we go again... But upon reading it you've mashed up all of the reasons which make sense for his presence. You did so rather eloquently as well.

My advice: post more from the pooper. I think you do your best work there.

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 08:00 AM

i'm not a believer, but i agree with mostly everything you said.

at the risk of hijacking a thread that has been done a millions times anyway....the jimmay spot is not a wasted spot. he's good for the meeting room (and not because they like joking around and telling funny stories or feeling macho when they give teh jimmay a wedgie that rip the waist band on his tightie whities), but the relationship the three of them have and their ability to spot things and help each other in QB meetings. if we get down to our 3rd QB we're kind of screwed anyway, but at least he's a guy that knows the playbook.. if they brought in someone else they would just have to start all over with them learning everything and that just seems like a lot of hassle for a guy that is going to just be holding a clipboard here anyway.

also, jimmy's contract is up after this year, isn't it? they'll probably let him walk. why not just let him ride out the contract?it's not that big of a deal in any capacity. they like having 3 QBs for whatever reason and they'd probably go out and replace him. in practice he's probably just a glorified scout team QB. it's just not worth the attention that people are giving it.

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 08:01 AM

I'm glad he's still hanging around because it pisses so many know-it-alls off around here.

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 10:23 AM

I'm glad he's still hanging around because it pisses so many know-it-alls off around here.


This. Love all the losers who get bent of shape about it, like it's their life. Oh wait, it probably is.


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