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they'll still wind up picking in the top 10 next year.

it's surprising to me how many people have these guys rebounding significantly this year. sure, a lot of the problem was leadership but new coaching staff....new systems on offense and defense.....that doesn't usually equate to success in the first year at all. all people are doing is looking at their activity in FA and thinking this is a real contender now but their problems are still going to be at the top and the things they fix won't be overnight.

people really overvalued that defeating of the pats in preseason.

for the life of me i can't understand how anyone could look at what the panthers did last year compared to the season before (on offense) and the players that we got back and added on defense and think that this team isn't going to be significantly better. it's even harder to understand why people would think that the bucs would be better in the first year with the new staff than the panthers in the 2nd year of the new era. people must still really have it out for cam or the panthers. i just don't understand.

Exactly. We have the majority of the same core of players that went 12-4 a few years ago, added additional offensive weapons, replaced stubborn coaching staff with one that actually attacks, and swapped Delhomme for Newton. We are a better team than the 12-4 team.

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The cool part is that they play these games on the field and these silly hypothetical competitions will be sorted out for us.

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AZ and Miami will fight for the number 1 pick, condemning Matt Barkley to the dessert.

Condemned to cake and ice cream? Doesn't sound so bad.

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Exactly. We have the majority of the same core of players that went 12-4 a few years ago, added additional offensive weapons, replaced stubborn coaching staff with one that actually attacks, and swapped Delhomme for Newton. We are a better team than the 12-4 team.

100% agreed.

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Condemned to cake and ice cream? Doesn't sound so bad.

Neither of those places would be on my list of cities to avoid if I was a young guy with a large amount of money.

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they'll still wind up picking in the top 10 next year.

it's surprising to me how many people have these guys rebounding significantly this year. sure, a lot of the problem was leadership but new coaching staff....new systems on offense and defense.....that doesn't usually equate to success in the first year at all. all people are doing is looking at their activity in FA and thinking this is a real contender now but their problems are still going to be at the top and the things they fix won't be overnight.

people really overvalued that defeating of the pats in preseason.

for the life of me i can't understand how anyone could look at what the panthers did last year compared to the season before (on offense) and the players that we got back and added on defense and think that this team isn't going to be significantly better. it's even harder to understand why people would think that the bucs would be better in the first year with the new staff than the panthers in the 2nd year of the new era. people must still really have it out for cam or the panthers. i just don't understand.

They may pick in the top 10.... We did last year. I just expect improvement and for them to not be the easy win they were most of last year.

I think we win....I just don't see us stomping them. Old school fg deciding Panthers/Buc game.

I think we will be better against the run....unsure about the pass and ST. About the same on offense. We need to be more consistant on offense this year....hopefully Cam can do that

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The cool part is that they play these games on the field and these silly hypothetical competitions will be sorted out for us.

Correct. I may need my head checked as I am wishing this weekend away wanting it to be Sunday now.

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Exactly. We have the majority of the same core of players that went 12-4 a few years ago, added additional offensive weapons, replaced stubborn coaching staff with one that actually attacks, and swapped Delhomme for Newton. We are a better team than the 12-4 team.

I'd say both the OL and DL were collectively better back then....

We have 3 question marks at least for the start of this season. I think Piggy is regressing with age....plus, I think our 2 young guys have a ways to go. I think they can get there eventually just think some are too confident in their short term ability.

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They may pick in the top 10.... We did last year. I just expect improvement and for them to not be the easy win they were most of last year.

I think we win....I just don't see us stomping them. Old school fg deciding Panthers/Buc game.

I think we will be better against the run....unsure about the pass and ST. About the same on offense. We need to be more consistant on offense this year....hopefully Cam can do that

i think we'll see more of the old school TB/CAR battles later on, but not right away. i have no faith in them having things fixed enough that they can adequately make up for the improvements that we made going from last year to this year.

i expect them to find out that their wrinkles that need to be ironed out. the next time we play should be closer than this game but a lot of my optimism in this game comes from my belief that the bucs just won't be ready. i have very little faith in a new coaching staff in their first game of the first season...i don't care who it is.

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With the debate of Peppers taking plays off...not sure I agree our 2009 OL and DL lines were any better off than they are now...

2009 Carolina Panthers roster

Offensive Linemen

Defensive Linemen

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The 2008 12-4 Panther team is the one mentioned.....not the 2009 one.

That was the team I commented on....that OL was flat out SICK. DL I would give a slight edge to as well.. Pep had 14.5 sacks and 5 FFs.

I don't see the argument of the 2012 lines being better than 2008

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Baron, VJACK and Martin are significant upgrades over the Poo poo platter they put up last year. Crafty 30 years in the league Barber at safety along with the rookie makes me nervous. I believe we will win this game. However I won't be Miracle on Ice shocked if we lose.

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