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Posted 09 September 2012 - 10:26 AM

Just because we always used Stewart on the inside dive off of the zone read doesn't mean that Williams can't do it. They each had defined roles in the option set because we had both of them available to play. With Stewart sitting, there is no reason to believe that Williams can't run that play for that position. I think that most likely scenario for this game, however, is to let Tolbert play the inside option role with Williams staying outside for the speed option.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 10:34 AM

Just because we always used Stewart on the inside dive off of the zone read doesn't mean that Williams can't do it. They each had defined roles in the option set because we had both of them available to play. With Stewart sitting, there is no reason to believe that Williams can't run that play for that position. I think that most likely scenario for this game, however, is to let Tolbert play the inside option role with Williams staying outside for the speed option.


Maybe he can....he just didn't last year. Suits Stewart's skill set and background.

Don't know enough about Tolbert, he seems like an ideal candidate for it. Which is why he potentially could be the perfect guy to help this O. He is the type runner that runs well between the tackle....they also can just use him in standard shotgun formations as a rec/ blocker and can then go right into those read option looks they liked so much

Tolbert is an unknown. They could plug him right into it.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 10:36 AM

Yea! One less weapon we will have to worry about today


Not really, you still have to worry about a beast RB every down. You just won't have to be as confused about which one

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 10:40 AM

An awful lot of technical discussion on an issue that won't be used more than 3 or 4 times today. Rivera's weekly interview with Kirwan/Ryan(Tues @ 4 this year)
on Sirius said that they will limit Cam's planned runs (unlike Foxy's lockjaw) to 6-8 per game. This includes draws, sneaks and options. He also said they are making it a point for him to check down to the backs rather than scramble when protection breaks down.
As for Stewart's absense, having Tolbert to stand in may be a blessing. A bowling ball like MJD ran wild on us in the slop last year and Tolbert will be very hard to get arms around when it's wet. I cansee him pinballing thru the Bucs and gaining big yards.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 10:43 AM

An awful lot of technical discussion on an issue that won't be used more than 3 or 4 times today. Rivera's weekly interview with Kirwan/Ryan(Tues @ 4 this year)
on Sirius said that they will limit Cam's planned runs (unlike Foxy's lockjaw) to 6-8 per game. This includes draws, sneaks and options. He also said they are making it a point for him to check down to the backs rather than scramble when protection breaks down.
As for Stewart's absense, having Tolbert to stand in may be a blessing. A bowling ball like MJD ran wild on us in the slop last year and Tolbert will be very hard to get arms around when it's wet. I cansee him pinballing thru the Bucs and gaining big yards.


Cam averaged 7 runs a game last year....planned and unplanned.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 10:51 AM

An awful lot of technical discussion on an issue that won't be used more than 3 or 4 times today. Rivera's weekly interview with Kirwan/Ryan(Tues @ 4 this year)
on Sirius said that they will limit Cam's planned runs (unlike Foxy's lockjaw) to 6-8 per game. This includes draws, sneaks and options. He also said they are making it a point for him to check down to the backs rather than scramble when protection breaks down.
As for Stewart's absense, having Tolbert to stand in may be a blessing. A bowling ball like MJD ran wild on us in the slop last year and Tolbert will be very hard to get arms around when it's wet. I cansee him pinballing thru the Bucs and gaining big yards.



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Posted 09 September 2012 - 10:51 AM

The Basics of the Zone-Read Play



Since Michigan's offense will call the zone-read option its bread-and-butter play for the next few years, fans are probably interested in how the play works. Slightly more interesting than "run left," I assure you.

Most important to the smooth operation of the zone-read is not a quarterback who is blazing fast, but a signal caller who can make the right decision with the ball, and can at least do a little damage with his feet.

The play operates out of the shotgun, with either one back to the QB's side or one split to either side of him. The running back for whom the play is called will start lined up on what will eventually be the backside of the play, since he crosses in front of the quarterback (this is not always the case in RR's offense, but for the sake of the basic play, we will start with that). The offensive line will block down to the playside, leaving the backside defensive end unblocked. This is the player that the QB will read (hence the name "zone-read").

The quarterback takes the snap, and the running back crosses in front of him. The QB puts the ball in his stomach, but does not hand it off. This is called the "mesh point" where either the QB or the running back can end up with the ball. It is at this point that the quarterback must be able to make a good decision with the ball, and read the defensive end. If the defensive end stays at home and holds contain, the quarterback simply hands off the ball to the RB. The offensive line is expected to outnumber the defenders, and block everyone for a good gain (or excellent depending on execution and the running back's vision).

If the defensive end gets greedy, and decides to try to chase down the running back from behind, the quarterback pulls the ball out from the mesh point, and runs back past the end, and gets a decent gain (if the offensive line blocks well, the QB should be able to get to the second level without facing a defender). The quarterback makes this read if the defensive end turns his shoulders toward the running back, rather than keeping them parallel with the line of scrimmage, as he would if keeping contain.


This is obviously the very basic play, so there are lots of other variations on it. For example, backs can be motioned into or out of the backfield, slot receivers can be used as pitchmen, the play can be designed to go towards the direction that the RB is lined up, rather than the opposite direction, etc. The option-pass can also be effective, with the play run the exact same way, but if the DE crashes, the quarterback, instead of trying to gain yards, rolls out for a pass, using the zone-read as a play-action.

http://varsityblue.b...-read-play.html

so if its just the QB and RB then its only a dive and QB read. add another RB than you then have a dive, QB run, and pitch read.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 10:56 AM

http://varsityblue.b...-read-play.html


Yep. WIlliams was never involved in seeing that "mesh point" and serving that role. Not sure why that is so hard. The zone read was Stewart.....

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 10:58 AM

Yep. WIlliams was never involved in seeing that "mesh point" and serving that role. Not sure why that is so hard


its hard because you never said that, you claimed that he was never part of the option read.when the entire play is a option read.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 11:01 AM

This will be the 3rd game Stewart has missed in his entire Pro Career, I believe.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 11:03 AM

http://varsityblue.b...-read-play.html

so if its just the QB and RB then its only a dive and QB read. add another RB than you then have a dive, QB run, and pitch read.


You can do lot so things off of it....that is just the core of it. You can pass off it and add other wrinkles. Like when Williams takes a pitch or he goes downfield. Defense still has to be ready for Stewart or Cam every time they runa zone read.....then they play the other options

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 11:05 AM

its hard because you never said that, you claimed that he was never part of the option read.when the entire play is a option read.


Well part of it is likely I assume people understand basic concepts of it...and granted maybe I should old have voiced it better. but I did say Williams could be invoked in the play....just not the zone read competent multiple times,

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 11:16 AM

Not really, you still have to worry about a beast RB every down. You just won't have to be as confused about which one

This is true, we have much to be concerned about, you guys have many many weapons.
But we have a few too.
I just looked at the Radar, it is still raining at 12.15 pm, and there is still a band of showers offshore in the Gulf. Looks like it will be a wet game

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 11:41 AM

Somewhere in the Bucs locker room, Ronde Barber is sighing in relief.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 11:50 AM

Well that squashes all those spread read option looks Cam became so dangerous with. No other RB has done those with Cam

I think that is a big deal. Willams runs the more traditional stuff. Which he can do.....but the spread looks we near mastered at the end of last year


Well there is the uber pessimistic CRA we have come to expect.

I swear your head would actually explode if a positive and optimistic thought ever wandered into it.



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