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#181 MaineManPanther


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Posted 14 September 2012 - 09:30 PM

Just because something isn't a necessity, doesn't mean it's silly. Willaims is a talent that is not easily replaced. Yes we can still be very potent, but Williams just makes it that much better. And even harder to defend. Another dimension to this offence.

As for payoff that can be said for any path. Even if we were utterly typical, why would you not have the same demand for payoff? What does unique have to do with it?

The RB signings is making our offence better. The signings are not going to prevent us from resigning any of our players. Offensively
( assuming health) with the exception of perhaps Guard, we don't need anybody else soon.

The only way I see this move hurting us is if we have a huge talent hole at a defensive position , that we can not fill with the draft or some decent player. But this is a specific scenario, and one we not know till the end of the season.
Because of this I just don't see how this move , at this point in time can viewed as a definite negative

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 09:33 PM

Every time I see this thread bumped (like I'm doing now), I vomit a little in my mouth.

#183 rayzor


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Posted 14 September 2012 - 09:52 PM


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Posted 14 September 2012 - 11:13 PM

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 08:46 AM


#186 MHS831


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Posted 15 September 2012 - 07:12 PM

What you fail to mention is that starters can be found other places than in the first 3 rounds and that as long as you find 3 or 4 starters each year it doesn't matter where they come from. Plus you mention the draft only and I mentioned the draft, trades which involve draft picks and free agent pick ups.

No one will argue that 2009 was a bad draft. It happens. But we still have a starter who played pretty well last week in Munnerlyn who was a seventh rounder. Doesn't matter if he was a first rounder or seventh as long as he starts the result is the same.

In 2010 we picked up LaFell, Hardy, and Gettis (who I still think is a player when healthy), that is 2 starters and a contributor which isn't bad when you don't have a first round pick. Given we were in dump mode and tanked the team we didn't pick up free agent folks. Thank Richardson for that, not Hurney.

Finally in 2011 we got back on track, we hit the lottery with Newton and brought in Edwards, Shockey, Olsen, Bell, Hangartner, Senn among many others. That was 6 starters and a contributor at least. I didn't mention Mare, LOL.

Again our philosophy isn't just to build through the draft, it is build through the draft and supplement it with free agents and trades which are reasonable guys. For example getting rid of McClain wasn't an admission that he was a failure, it was an admission that he wasn't progressing as fast as we had hoped and needed to upgrade the position which we did with Edwards from Buffalo. We could have kept him but Rivera and Hurney saw a chance to upgrade and jumped on it.

Guys like Olsen and Murphy are really part of the draft class since they were acquired with future draft picks. Olsen cost us a third this year and Murphy a seventh next.

Wrong. You are always going to have find starters in other places if you miss iin the draft--the fact that sixth rounders are starters does not make them high quality starters. You do not find STARS in the bottom of the draft regularly. If you have to start talking about undrafted free agents and free agents to fill spots where you missed in the draft, your team sucks and that is NOT building throught the draft.

You said, "What part of building through the draft do you not understand?"

How are we building through the draft?

Everette Brown--we have a sixth rounder, an undrafted free agent, and a rookie 4th rounder trying to fill the gap for that WHIFF.

Sherrod Martin--We have a special teamer backup and a special teamer from SF trying to fill that WHIFF.

Jimmy Clausen--We drafted 3 QBs in 2 years.

We sure are going free agency and using multiple picks at one position a lot

Corvey Irvin, Sione Fua, and Terrell McClain. We had 2 sign undrafted free agents (Neblett and Kearse) and 2 free agents. Whiff, Whiff Whiff.

How is this building through the draft again?

#2 CB: Brandon Hogan, Josh Norman, Thomas and Butler. We sure have thrown quality at that key position. Addressed in the draft? On day 3.

I just do not see it, 55. We are not building-we are filling gaps with bodies that were not addressed in the draft..

#187 nosuchthingasapanther


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Posted 15 September 2012 - 07:16 PM

just when you thought this thread was dead and gone...

#188 YoungPanthers89


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Posted 16 September 2012 - 05:31 PM


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Posted 16 September 2012 - 05:32 PM

Just let this thread die!

#190 Icege


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Posted 18 September 2012 - 10:49 PM

I feel queasy...

#191 carolina-chuck


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Posted 18 September 2012 - 11:19 PM

Yea we should trade Dwill right?

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 11:51 PM


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 03:47 AM

Well this certainly got awkward.

#194 DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA)

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 08:31 AM

Well this certainly got awkward.

Bump....not really. Just helped make my point.

Williams without Stewart in the Chud era.

2 games.

Week 1 - 10 TOTAL offensive points
Week 3 - 7 TOTAL offensive points

ain't about what we should be doing, about what we are trying to be.

with Stewart
Week 2 - 35 TOTAL offensive points
2011- 25 pt average

Stewart comes back for Atl...offense comes alive.....as usual.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 08:36 AM


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