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#37 Greg Schiano

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 10:16 AM

I don't think it was a cheap shot on Smith, with sincerity. There were some good hard hits like the goal line stand when one of your guys popped Doug Martin. The players were trying to keep it clean. I think it was Cap'n M who had the fair catch hit and even that, you could see he was trying to avoid any flagrant hit.

A dirty hit against Smith would be below... which indirectly ended his NFL career unfortunately. Of course I'm talking about Clifton Smith, not Steve.



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Posted 11 September 2012 - 10:17 AM

That wasn't a spear. Honestly I think some of you have an odd definition of spearing or are grasping at straws for something to be mad about.

This is my understanding of what spearing is:


What does Spearing Mean?


A penalty called when a defensive player makes a tackle that leads with the crown of his helmet into the offensive player. If the initial contact occurs at the top of the helmet, the tackle is illegal. Spearing is a 15-yard penalty against the defense and an automatic first down. The penalty is considered a player safety issue, as hits that lead with the top of the helmet often result in injuries.



Sporting Charts explains Spearing



Spearing is one of the penalties that has been added in recent years to increase player safety. The intent was to decrease the number of violent downfield hits. Spearing is a particularly significant penalty as it tends to occur downfield against defenseless offensive players after a catch has been made. Ironically, spearing hits can also put the defensive player at risk of neck injury due to the angle of contact. Spearing only applies to hits where the defensive player leads with the crown of his helmet. Defensive players are taught to lead with their shoulders to limit the number of penalties.


If Smitty doesn't drop his own head there is no contact between their helmets at all. I see Barron leading with his shoulder in a hard, but legal, hit. He certain isn't leading with the crown of his helmet.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 10:17 AM

Looks to me like both men dropped their heads and lead with their shoulders. The impact of shoulder pads and helmets is nearly instantaneous and is in no way shape or form a spear.

Again the only reason this is a point of discussion is because the guy with the Panther logo on his helmet is the one who was getting up off of the ground. If Smitty had run the guy over with the exact same hit we all would be singing his praises today.


I'd have to watch it again, but from what I recall Smitty dropped his head and turned away slightly to brace for impact and Barron lead with his helmet.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 10:19 AM

Hey Schiano... everyone on this board agreed that the Clifton Smith hit was BS... no idea what Wesley was thinking and he deserved to be ejected and fined.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 10:22 AM

Well, I just went and watched it again - had only seen it once when it actually happened - and it was pretty much 50/50. Smitty dropped his head when he saw Barron and Barron dropped his head in response, I wouldn't consider that spearing or a vicious hit.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 10:22 AM

A dirty hit against Smith would be below... which indirectly ended his NFL career unfortunately. Of course I'm talking about Clifton Smith, not Steve.



His NFL career was ended by the fact your team waived him and then he got cut by the Dolphins and Browns. I believe he still plays Arena League.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 10:34 AM

Hey Schiano... everyone on this board agreed that the Clifton Smith hit was BS... no idea what Wesley was thinking and he deserved to be ejected and fined.


Oh I know, Panthers fans were appalled the day it happened. I know there have been plenty of dirty hits going both ways over the years as well, to include some on Steve Smith if I recall correctly. For a division game, it was intense and violent but I wouldn't say the rules were bent to risk player safety.

Excited for week 11, I hope to see a similar game in terms of physical play is in order, regardless of the outcome (win or loss)

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 10:36 AM

Well, I just went and watched it again - had only seen it once when it actually happened - and it was pretty much 50/50. Smitty dropped his head when he saw Barron and Barron dropped his head in response, I wouldn't consider that spearing or a vicious hit.


Barron definitely didn't launch his body and use it as a weapon against Smith. It was a just a solid hit and tackle. Wish we were able to draft Barron like our FO wanted. But, I will settle with Kuechly.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 12:37 PM

Barron definitely didn't launch his body and use it as a weapon against Smith. It was a just a solid hit and tackle. Wish we were able to draft Barron like our FO wanted. But, I will settle with Kuechly.


Barron made some great plays against us, but I believe Kuechly will have a better season/career

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 12:59 PM

Oh I know, Panthers fans were appalled the day it happened. I know there have been plenty of dirty hits going both ways over the years as well, to include some on Steve Smith if I recall correctly. For a division game, it was intense and violent but I wouldn't say the rules were bent to risk player safety.

Excited for week 11, I hope to see a similar game in terms of physical play is in order, regardless of the outcome (win or loss)


I did not see anything in the Panthers - Bucs game that I would consider dirty or otherwise uncalled for from either team. Cam got a little pissed at that guy where he got in the guys face, but even that (despite the retarded Yahoo article) wasn't a big deal... Cam was more frustrated that we weren't playing well than anything else imo.

I did see that turd Roman Harper on the Saints* playing dirty against the 'skins on Sunday.

Now that Fujita is on the Browns and Vilma is hurt hopefully neither of our teams will see poo like this...



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Posted 11 September 2012 - 01:02 PM

Now that Fujita is on the Browns and Vilma is hurt hopefully neither of our teams will see poo like this...



Wow... I think I just dropped a giant falcon fan in the toilet... that was harsh.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 01:06 PM

Read the last section of the rule... it prohibits spearing regardless of the situation.


Yeah but isnt spearing when the player leaves his feet and launches himself? I dont think Barion did that.