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#31 Snake

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 04:39 PM

If you saw what Rivera was saying before the season he was telling players to pick up the pace. To keep pushing and not to be lax. He said we needed to come out and play like it was the post season and have a fast start. It seems the Players were over confident and didnt think they had to work for every win. Well they got punched in the mouth.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 05:21 PM

I didn't like the play calling in the game, but it doesn't matter, cause the oline couldn't execute their blocks.

Makes the play calling a moot point as of right now.


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Posted 11 September 2012 - 05:53 PM

I didn't like the play calling in the game, but it doesn't matter, cause the oline couldn't execute their blocks.

Makes the play calling a moot point as of right now.

You don't think the play calling had something to do with their inability to handle a team pass rushing all game? The fact we were essentially 4 wide most of the game? The fact our WRs were running deep routes? The fact were trying to go deep over and over?

Not to mention the DL knowing the snap practically all game bc of Chud's formation he was determined to run all game?

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 06:06 PM

This place has become a caricature of itself in how fast it will turn on the very people thought to be near gods a week ago at this time.

Exactly. It sPeaks to the mental age of most posters here.

Biggest group of bipolar individuals I have ever seen.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 06:37 PM

You don't think the play calling had something to do with their inability to handle a team pass rushing all game? The fact we were essentially 4 wide most of the game? The fact our WRs were running deep routes? The fact were trying to go deep over and over?

Not to mention the DL knowing the snap practically all game bc of Chud's formation he was determined toto run all game?

all deep routes?

Just stop now.


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Posted 11 September 2012 - 06:59 PM

all deep routes?

Just stop now.

Yeah, take that in the literal sense...<insert eye roll>

Fact remains a higher percentage of his throws were to 20+ yard routes than any QB attempts in 2012 and 2011.....

He was throwing those routes at such an absurd percentage bc that what Chud was calling heavily. Barber spied the RB for screens and Chud sent everyone else downfield for the most part.

Doesn't mean there aren't factual examples of a short route being run, smarty. That would be like someone claiming they foolishly only tried to run out of the shotgun.....and you counter calling them a liar bc DWill attempted a single run with Cam under C.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 07:23 PM

I think it was some of both. The O line played like ass and Chud didn't adjust. I remember Rivera saying that some last year, "well, we should have adjusted quicker". Why didn't Chud use 2 TE sets? Why didn't he run plays from under center? Why didn't Tolbert lead block to make a whole for Dwill to run? Are you telling me Tolbert couldn't have acted like a FB and made a GD hole? Why didn't Chud use the TE's to pass protect for 2 or 3 seconds and have a late release and go out for a 5 to 10 yard gain? Why did Chud call a whole lot (not all) passes for large of chunks of yards instead of underneath routes? You must be able to adjust to what the defense gives. In a perfect world you want your Offense to dictate to what the Defense is going to do, but sometimes you must adjust or what happened Sunday will happen....again. I don't blame it all on Chud, he's probably an offensive genius. But on Sunday the O line obviously didn't bring their A game, so Chud should have adjusted to max protect Cam, at least until TB quit pinning their ears back and bull rushing almost every play.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 07:56 PM

I hate to say this but CRA has a point. The Oline sucked but Chud game plan wasn't much better. He never adjusted to what the Bucs were doing. I still don't know why he never lined up Brockle at full back and Tolbert at half back in a power eye and ram it down their throats a few times. At least just to build confidence of the Oline. Get them moving foward instead of backward. Helps the Oline build a attitude we needed in that game.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 08:10 PM

As I have stated and people bashed....Chud was overrated on this board. people forgot his poorly called games to start off last year.....and a big chunk of his great play calling was just letting a great athlete in Cam do it all. We also lost some winnable games bc Chud likes to put the world on Cam's shoulders.....doing that Sunday also asked too much of an OL.

He is creative. He is good. He isn't the mastermind people created in their heads. He still has a lot to figure out with his Newton lead attack.

Cam without a doubt can put up HUGE numbers in Chud's offense.....Chud needs work on calling an offense to win games though. Chud had moments last year....his best games were games like Washington and Houston when he called complete games and wasn't just wanting to see what Newton could do. he too often asks Newton to do too much.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 08:47 PM

Very few plays have all deep routes.

Almost all plays have a deep, intermediate, and short routes.

Where Cam decides to go with the ball is his choice.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 08:48 PM

Fact is, CRA is making up poo to support his high polluting opinion.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 08:55 PM

Fact is, CRA is making up poo to support his high polluting opinion.

Okay, name what I made up....



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Posted 11 September 2012 - 09:01 PM

Very few plays have all deep routes.

Almost all plays have a deep, intermediate, and short routes.

Where Cam decides to go with the ball is his choice.


You ever watch vintage Mike Martz or Oakland a couple seasons ago? You realize what they were doing in the pass game right?

There was a reason why Cam attempted a bigger % of 20+ yard throws than any QB in recent NFL history.....and it wasn't bc he overlooked Williams once. Barber was taking away his screen and check down.....was wanting everything else too deep.

A simple slant or out route or short hook would have done wonders....as would actually running.

Carolina passing game is considered a big chunk attack....Chud took that too far. Rivera will fix that.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 09:03 PM

O-line gave Cam no time and D-Will nowhere to run, combine that with two poor decisions by Cam and it's no wonder why we lost a close game.



Matthew Stafford made 3 poor decisions and the team still manage to win. How is that?

Funny how Cam gets so much made when in throws Ints regardless of the outcome but not other QBs like Matthew.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 09:07 PM

Matthew Stafford made 3 poor decisions and the team still manage to win. How is that?

Funny how Cam gets so much made when in throws Ints regardless of the outcome but not other QBs like Matthew.


Yep....QBs make multiple mistakes and win all the time.

Cam is forced to play error free to win a game. Has never won a game being allowed a mistake


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