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Meanwhile it's getting freaky in Egypt and Libya.

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Is there some sort of purpose for posting that?

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apparently one of the guys killed was a well-respected redditor and EVE online player and was posting last night soon before it happened.

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/zrb8x/us_ambassador_and_3_staff_members_killed_in_an/

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apparently one of the guys killed was a well-respected redditor and EVE online player and was posting last night soon before it happened.

http://www.reddit.co...s_killed_in_an/

Some good reading on there...

I'm not the person you were addressing, but as someone raised Muslim who lived in the Middle East for 10 years, I'll say this: violence is an acceptable response to nearly anything in our culture. Daughter dressing provocatively? Beat her. Son showing signs of being gay? Beat him. Get into a fender-bender on the road? Fight the other driver. Waiter brings you cold food? Make sure you hurl plenty of verbal abuse at him. Restraint in the face of adversity or provocation is considered a sign of weakness; if you don't raise a ruckus, then you have no strength. This holds especially true for men, but my own mother (a woman who stands at all of 5 ft tall) broke a glass bowl over my uncle's head once because he said something inappropriate. And that's just one example out of dozens I could bring up off the top of my head.

I want to be able to say something like "This is only true for a minority of Muslims", and I'm sure others have had different experiences, but everything I've seen and experienced points to the fact that Middle Eastern culture fosters and encourages violence. After 9/11 I got into numerous arguments where I defended Islam and used the "No True Muslim" fallacy one too many times, but at this point there's no defense I can offer, no excuse for the way things are. I'm tired of defending my own people, which is almost as sad to me as the fact that there's any need to defend them in the first place.

TL;DR The Middle East is fuged-up, and those of us who don't beat others or burn things are tired of trying to defend those who do.

IOW, it's not really a religious thing, it's a cultural thing... (see bold above) Restraint is seen as a sign of weakness, so it's all out or nothing...

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F'ing animals... I don't support war or the killing of innocent people, but I truly hope they find the savages that were dragging the ambassador's body in the streets and torture them to death. Act like an animal, get treated like one.

If the ambassador has children, I'm sure that's how they want to remember him, with these idiots dragging his lifeless body around the streets as a trophy.

I hope Southpark does another episode on mohamed immediately.

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Our thoughts and prayers are with you in these tough times.

Screw you ....

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We have as much business in the middle east as Russia has occupying the us. But please continue the war mongering culture. It's good for business.

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F'ing animals... I don't support war or the killing of innocent people, but I truly hope they find the savages that were dragging the ambassador's body in the streets and torture them to death. Act like an animal, get treated like one.

If the ambassador has children, I'm sure that's how they want to remember him, with these idiots dragging his lifeless body around the streets as a trophy.

I hope Southpark does another episode on mohamed immediately.

I think o said at his recent presser that they were helping to remove the body and transport it to the hospital. I know..... I don't believe him either.

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I think o said at his recent presser that they were helping to remove the body and transport it to the hospital. I know..... I don't believe him either.

Smh... Yes, because it's clear that he is still alive in the picture. That is just flat out disgusting.

Sounds like he is just trying to keep US citizens from becoming outraged and demanding action be taken. This is all just madness.

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Some good reading on there...

IOW, it's not really a religious thing, it's a cultural thing... (see bold above) Restraint is seen as a sign of weakness, so it's all out or nothing...

I have to say that doesn't match my experience in the Middle East very much. I lived in Bahrain back 1995, and almost all of the people I met were very nice and polite. I use to go out just about every weekend, and only once saw a fight or violence involving the locals. Most of the fights were drunk europeans or americans.

Of course, that was based on personal experience, which might vary. Or maybe Bahranis were more peaceful than some other Arabs.

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