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Why Cam Newton could not solve Tampa Bay's defense


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#16 PantherFanOne

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 01:06 PM

Eliminate one facet of the offense and a defense can concentrate on limiting the other... Look how Aaron Rodgers looked against the Niners without a running game. Same deal.


True----But shouldn't it have worked the same for us by eliminating one facet of theirs? I say the whole game boiled down to the Buc's OL and DL flat putting a whipping on ours.

#17 TheGreatestOfAllTimeCam

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 01:34 PM

If we rip off 4 or 5 in a row...... god I can't wait until this forum is infected with positivity.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 01:58 PM

Wow, you know why Chud and newton kept going deep? Because Tampa Bay took away the short passes, screens and the run game. They played around the LoS for much of the game and the second Cam left the pocket they'd smash the rb to take away the pass. So the long ball was there all day, if anything we should've went deep more often.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 02:13 PM

Cam made some bad reads and left some big plays on the table. Nobody is trying to put all the blame on him, but we will only go as far as he takes us. Poor performance on the oline cant be the excuse every year. He is going to be fine, we're going to be fine. We just need to make it through this brutal stretch of games with some Ws.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 02:17 PM

Cam made some bad reads and left some big plays on the table. Nobody is trying to put all the blame on him, but we will only go as far as he takes us. Poor performance on the oline cant be the excuse every year. He is going to be fine, we're going to be fine. We just need to make it through this brutal stretch of games with some Ws.


That is why we didn't win more games....that is pretty much how Chud is running this offense. Put the world on Newton's shoulders and see what he can do. He can put up big numbers. He quietly put 300+ yards when nothing was working. Chud isn't calling good games to win IMO. Only called a handful of good ones last year....he shows off Newton too much.

#21 ClawOn

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 02:23 PM

The hallmark of this coaching staff does not seem to be wizardry with in-game adjustments.

Remember Rivera's sad quote: “And all of a sudden they show up and do some different things that you didn’t have a chance to prepare for.”

Good luck finding a similar quote from Bellichick or one of the Harbaugh boys.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 02:31 PM

Wow, you know why Chud and newton kept going deep? Because Tampa Bay took away the short passes, screens and the run game. They played around the LoS for much of the game and the second Cam left the pocket they'd smash the rb to take away the pass. So the long ball was there all day, if anything we should've went deep more often.

what is this? Simple observations from the game?

Say it isn't so!
After all it was coaches Rivera and Chud that game planned it to go just the way it did!

Lol

#23 Greg Schiano

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 02:44 PM

Wow, you know why Chud and newton kept going deep? Because Tampa Bay took away the short passes, screens and the run game. They played around the LoS for much of the game and the second Cam left the pocket they'd smash the rb to take away the pass. So the long ball was there all day, if anything we should've went deep more often.


I'm glad you weren't the coach. Panthers would have won 72-0

#24 Frash Brastard

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 04:13 PM

Yes because simply running the ball for more negative plays would've won us the game

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 04:28 PM

Personally, I think the Olins should take most responsibility. Don't blame Cam he did enough to win, despite it not being his best preformnance...his INTs came late, playing catch up not that it should be an excuse. Emphasis is a nonexistent oline in the first half that basically stopped the run game. Can't blame RBs either. They didn't miss holes because the holes were not there. The Oline came together too late and it was very short lived. Their inconsistant play probably made Cam look confused. Ye he made mistakes too but he is only in his second year and the Oline needs to remember that, they still need put most their effort into protecting him. I don't think anyone expected to try and play catch up to 16 points so that just fuged everything up.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 04:30 PM

I wouldn't say he didn't solve them, or that they limited him. He lit them for 300 yards. We just didn't get points. If Chud would have allowed it, Cam would have thrown for 400 yards on them.



..and 4 INT's!

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 04:32 PM

"The Panthers also seemed stubbornly set on having Newton try to beat Tampa Bay with his arm, as opposed to his feet. "

--I wanna know who else felt that Chico didn't want Newton scrambling? I think they're scared of him getting hurt that they're limiting what he does best.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:04 PM

Why was the run game pathetic? Why did the o-line look so bad? Ever ask yourselves these questions?

Go back and look at our offensive formations for the majority of the plays last year. I'll save you the time...simply stated, we typically left more people in to block and sent fewer out in pass patterns than we did Sunday.

We didn't run effectively and the o-line looked like crap because of the offense we called. It may work against other teams, but it didn't against the Bucs and Chud didn't make enough adjustments as the game went on.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:26 PM

Why was the run game pathetic? Why did the o-line look so bad? Ever ask yourselves these questions?

Go back and look at our offensive formations for the majority of the plays last year. I'll save you the time...simply stated, we typically left more people in to block and sent fewer out in pass patterns than we did Sunday.

We didn't run effectively and the o-line looked like crap because of the offense we called. It may work against other teams, but it didn't against the Bucs and Chud didn't make enough adjustments as the game went on.


It has been mentioned....people seem to think switching to 3 WR sets with a rec TE added most of the game and trying to go deep has no impact on how an OL performs.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:35 PM

J Stew still rushed for more yards than Deangelo!! Wait till he is back in a game...

This is where establishing the run, despite the production does come into play. I love Chud but this was like the mentality of the Imfamous Cardinals playoff game after the first awesome drive(1 turnover and it was all passing and 5 ints).

The Bucs keyed in on the run and have speedy explosive linebackers in Lavonte David and Quincy Black. With MCCoy blowing up the middle it was too much. It was edge and A gap heat.

Also, I feel too that the defense can give "false tells" after a season of film on the spread option attack. Since the DE determines (attacking or standing)when the QB keeps and when it is handed off you just give the false tell and overplay the counter.

It seems thats what happened and a college coach knows how to attack that type of offense as Syracuse runs a form of it against Rutgers...if you stop Ron Paulas..you can stop Cam....


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