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#37 The Huddler

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:39 PM

I blame this on Hurney, he should have let dwill go. That deal will be one of the worst in Panthers history.

a deal that kept our best RB in franchise history? you cant be serious..

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:47 PM

The Read Option wasn't successful because of how Tampa played it. Stewart could've played and it would've been the same results.

It took me watching the game 4 times to finally catch what Tampa was doing.

Tampa never asked their DEs to keep containment on our shotgun plays.

Their DEs crashed down everytime, so the hand off to the running back was never there.

If you look closely you'll notice that the corner back on whatever side Cam would line up on had containment, and would either run blitz right away, Spy Cam, or play the flats, with their first responsibility being Cam.

The very first play is a great example of this, and our WRs couldn't block them, because they would play inside of them.

Also if Cam was lined up on the side of their nickel back, he would take on this assignment instead of the outside CB.

We caught onto this in the 2nd half, which directly resulted in Smittys long catch and Lafells TD pass.

Chud himself killed alot of drives with his play calling, but I promise you the Read Option wasnt one. On every series that our read option run got stuffed, we still ended up getting a first down.

I originally walked away from this game ready to scrap the Read Option, but on 2nd thought, it's amazing how the playaction fake freezes the LBs and how easy it is to pass out of it, which we should've just kept doing.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:52 PM

And when Stewart gets hurt every other week we'd be worrying about drafting another RB instead of fixing the team.


Stewart rarely misses games.....

And if we let Williams go we could of picked up and cheap and good RB with a 3rd round pick putting an emphasis on one who played in a spread offense to compliment Stewart. Plus we have Tolbert.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:57 PM

The Read Option wasn't successful because of how Tampa played it. Stewart could've played and it would've been the same results.

It took me watching the game 4 times to finally catch what Tampa was doing.

Tampa never asked their DEs to keep containment on our shotgun plays.

Their DEs crashed down everytime, so the hand off to the running back was never there.

If you look closely you'll notice that the corner back on whatever side Cam would line up on had containment, and would either run blitz right away, Spy Cam, or play the flats, with their first responsibility being Cam.

The very first play is a great example of this, and our WRs couldn't block them, because they would play inside of them.

Also if Cam was lined up on the side of their nickel back, he would take on this assignment instead of the outside CB.

We caught onto this in the 2nd half, which directly resulted in Smittys long catch and Lafells TD pass.

Chud himself killed alot of drives with his play calling, but I promise you the Read Option wasnt one. On every series that our read option run got stuffed, we still ended up getting a first down.

I originally walked away from this game ready to scrap the Read Option, but on 2nd thought, it's amazing how the playaction fake freezes the LBs and how easy it is to pass out of it, which we should've just kept doing.


Stewart doesnt run his outside the tackle....and no RB is better in th NFL than making the first guy miss.

Pilares and Tolbert each took theirs for positive yardage up the middle. We needed a RB who could take those where DeAngelo doesn't. Only Williams took them outside....only his were stuffed.

Read option aside, Chud was just bad.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 02:32 PM

Pilates run was outside the tackles, not inside, and it wasnt a read option anyways. Pilares was getting the ball regardless of the read.

This is what I'm saying that I think you're missing. Tampa's DEs never had to worry about containing Cam because that assignment went to their cornerbacks, so they never played Cam, they always crashed down to play the running back, so if Stew had played he wouldnt have had anything, because the Ends came crashing down.

Cam should've kept the ball and run, but again, if he would have, the Corner would've been right there to make the tackle before Cam had a chance to get going.

Yeah I get that we were trying to get Williams outside, and it would've actually worked, but our WRs couldn't get a hand on the corner who had contain.



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Posted 14 September 2012 - 02:32 PM

Pilates run was outside the tackles, not inside, and it wasnt a read option anyways. Pilares was getting the ball regardless of the read.

This is what I'm saying that I think you're missing. Tampa's DEs never had to worry about containing Cam because that assignment went to their cornerbacks, so they never played Cam, they always crashed down to play the running back, so if Stew had played he wouldnt have had anything, because the Ends came crashing down.

Cam should've kept the ball and run, but again, if he would have, the Corner would've been right there to make the tackle before Cam had a chance to get going.

Yeah I get that we were trying to get Williams outside, and it would've actually worked, but our WRs couldn't get a hand on the corner who had contain.



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Posted 14 September 2012 - 02:47 PM

The Bucs game was all on the playcalling and blocking.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 02:56 PM

And when Stewart gets hurt every other week we'd be worrying about drafting another RB instead of fixing the team.

RB's are a dime a dozen, look at how good Poole and Smith looked in preseason. Someone good easily replace Williams.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 03:07 PM

No RB fits when our o-line is playing like sh!t.


Thousand times this. Blocking was not existent Sunday. You just block a little bit and he can take it to the house.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 11:15 PM

Only Williams took them outside....only his were stuffed.


I know this thread is into beating a dead horse territory, but it has to be pointed out that DWill only ran the read option a couple of times against Tampa, and the 1st one would have been a nice gain had Louis Murphy made his block.

Now, I'm not lobbying for seeing more of it, just pointing out how small the sample size was and that the 1st one easily could have been a win for the running game.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 11:30 PM

It hurts me to watch last year offense compared to the preview we got last week.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 11:32 PM

No RB fits when our o-line is playing like sh!t.


Hell fu(king true!!!!