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So you want a new GM huh?..Check this out and maybe you'll reconsider.


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#16 run1stdownrun2nddown

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 08:29 AM

Meh... 2 weeks ago I saw a lot of "this could be the best draft ever, etc." I week goes by and those same people want Hurney gone b/c he is worst GM ever? Just have to ignore a lot of these ppl..

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 08:37 AM

at the end of the day... trades and proven vets through FA could really make a big difference. If they drop some weight at the end of the season, then I expect us to just continue to be the "Potential" team of the NFL. That doe not win games! Personnel moves are very necessary and young isn't always the answer. It retarded that Peppers is not here now! How crazy is that!

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 08:38 AM

Meh... 2 weeks ago I saw a lot of "this could be the best draft ever, etc." I week goes by and those same people want Hurney gone b/c he is worst GM ever? Just have to ignore a lot of these ppl..

I think this draft has the potential to be one of the best all around we have had.....

Hunrey's last couple have still been utter poo.....outside him being allowed the #1 overall

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 08:53 AM

Yes, I want a new GM.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 09:05 AM

I hate GM threads. I despise them with a pure passion of unbridled loathing.

Not one of you know jackshit about what goes into assembling a team. It's like complaining about how your hamburger tastes funny and the cow must have been totally retarded to screw up your sandwich when you're eating it off a steaming pile of manure in a back alley behind the burger joint.

For God's sake, you can't change anything about any of it so just stop it already.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 09:23 AM

thats A LOT of writing to say we should be content with a GM who helped produce 49% wins

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 09:27 AM

Not one of you know jackshit about what goes into assembling a team.



And this makes us different from Hurney in what way?

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 10:06 AM

there are 2 division rival GMs ahead of Marty based off your research but yet we should be content that their is no one better.


While it sucks that we have 2 of the very best in our division, you can't use that as justification to hire a new one.That strategy has not worked for the Bucs so far. Also the Falcons had to go through some hardships themselves before they found Dimitroff.

Look at it this way out 63 different GM's in the last 10 years,Hurney has proven to be the 12th best at worst. This puts him inside of the top 20%.

In addition an argument can be made that Hurney has had the least talented coach of every GM ranked above him. While he is responsible for hiring the head coach, I don't think Fox can use lack of talent as his reason for his demise here. 2010 was a lame duck year(Jerrys decision, so if you credit Fox that year back then you must for Hurney as well).

Right now he gets a do over with Rivera. If this combo sucks then we have nothing to lose by parting ways with Hurney. If this combo comes out does well then we have quite a lot to lose. Lets give this combo 2 full seasons and then see where were at.

I just think if we replace Hurney things will get worse before they get better. I think this current roster is on the brink of something and no point in starting over with an unproven GM at this point.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 10:15 AM

So AZ and Cincy are the only teams in the NFL who have kept someone around longer with a worse win %?


On the flipside their have been 4 hired Dimitroff,Reese,A.J Smith(hired in 03) and Ted Thompson out 63 who would have been a proven upgrade over Hurney.Unless you want Angelo and I'd pass.

Thats a 0.6% chance that we will find someone better.Good luck with that.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 10:28 AM

And this makes us different from Hurney in what way?


He's well paid to do this very thing.

Let me put it to you this way: I am a computer programmer, and it blows my mind how little people understand my craft and what you can or cannot do technologically. Clients all the time imagine that an entire refactoring of their codebase is a "few weeks" worth of work since, in their mind, it's just a bunch of copying and pasting. In reality, a tiny change in one part of the codebase could have unforeseen ramifications throughout the entire program.

When NASA designs their software for the space program, they have to certify that their code is 99.9999% bug-free, when the average rate of programmer error is one bug per 300 lines of code, and the average commercial program contains over 500,000 lines of code. That's over 1600 errors, yet the average person whose total extent of technical know-how involves pressing the on-switch assumes that their computer is supposed to be error-proof and read their mind and bitch non-stop otherwise.

In the same vein, a top of the line general manager has a bust rate of around 50%, meaning that a pick they make is likely to be out of the league entirely within three years over half the time.

Absolutely elite GMs only raise this percentage by a few points at most, meaning the fanbase can make wild assumptions based on 20/20 hindsight on how their GM is totally retarded when they understand nothing of the process and the inherent randomness involved in it.

This isn't Madden.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 10:51 AM

Baltimore gm Newsome(58% win percentage)
Dallas gm/owner Jones (53.8 win percentage)
New England, Bill Belicheck (72% win percentage)
New Orleans Mickey Loomis (56% win percentage)
Pittsburgh- Kevin Colbert (66% win percentage)
Atlanta gm Dimitroff (67% win percentage)
Chicago Jerry Angelo(53.9% win percentage)
Denver Ted Sundquist (56% win percentage)
Green Bay GM Ted Thompson (59.8 win percentage)
Mike Sherman (68% win percentage)
Indianapolis Bill Polian (63% win percentage).
Jacksonville's James Lanell "Shack" Harris (52.6% win percentage)
Kansas Peterson (55% win percentage)
Miami Rick Spielman (56% win percentage)
New York Giants GM Jerry Reese (61% win percentage)
Ernie Acorsi (50.6% win percentage)
New york Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum (51% win percentage)
Philadellpia GM Howie Rosemann (62.5% win percentage)
San Diego GM A.J Smith (61% win percentage)
Seattle Gm Tim Ruskell (53% win percentage)
St.Louis Jim Zygmunt (53% win percentage)
Tampa's GM Bruce Allen (51.2% win percentage)
Tennesee's Mike Reinfedlt (56% win percentage)
Floyd Reese (50.9% win percentage)


That's 24 guys you listed with better records than Hurney. And that's not even counting guys who just recently took over as GM, like Reggie McKenzie who was director of player personnel for the Packers and won two Super Bowls with them before taking the head job for the Raiders this year.

And then there's this...

So AZ and Cincy are the only teams in the NFL who have kept someone around longer with a worse win %?


Cinci's GM is also the owner so he's not going to fire himself and Arizona is just retarded. In general teams don't let guys hang around as long as Hurney if they can't put together winning teams, especially when their results have been declining (try bringing up the winning % for the last 5 years).

Your post actually shows definitively that we SHOULD get a new GM, not the opposite.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 11:08 AM

Hurney is great at managing the numbers. He always leaves us a few dollars to play with when the season starts. I've never had a problem with him with the salary cap.

The problem I have with him is his talent evaluation skills. Especially at WR. How many years have we be looking for a #2 receiver to go with Smith? Granted, he did draft Smith (pure luck with that pick). But Moose was not a Hurny pick. And we are still looking for a solid #2 WR.

He's done well with his first round picks (hell, I could do that well and I only watch a hand full of college games every year). But after the first round, his picks are usually average at best, usually not. Year in and year out, I see outher GMs like the Patriots pick guys in round 3 and beyond who turn into dynamic NFL starters. Hurney has never done it.

With his cap skills, I put him slightly above average.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 11:11 AM

^^^ Hurney didn't draft Smitty. Last draft from Seifert --> 1st) Dan Morgan 2nd) Kris Jenkins 3rd) Steve Smith

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 11:16 AM

Hurney is great at managing the numbers.  He always leaves us a few dollars to play with when the season starts.  I've never had a problem with him with the salary cap.

The problem I have with him is his talent evaluation skills.  Especially at WR.  How many years have we be looking for a #2 receiver to go with Smith?  Granted, he did draft Smith (pure luck with that pick).  But Moose was not a Hurny pick.  And we are still looking for a solid #2 WR.

He's done well with his first round picks (hell, I could do that well and I only watch a hand full of college games every year).  But after the first round, his picks are usually average at best, usually not.  Year in and year out, I see outher GMs like the Patriots pick guys in round 3 and beyond who turn into dynamic NFL starters.  Hurney has never done it.

With his cap skills, I put him slightly above average.


I see outher GMs like the Patriots pick guys in round 3 and beyond

Bullshit. The Patriots have had one good player in the third or beyond in the last five years, and that was Aaron Hernandez in the fourth of 2012. You imagine they have drafted well because you always see them at the top of a terrible division every year, but Belichick has had a notoriously poor series of drafts in recent years and his horrendous defense demonstrates that to a tee.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 11:26 AM

On the flipside their have been 4 hired Dimitroff,Reese,A.J Smith(hired in 03) and Ted Thompson out 63 who would have been a proven upgrade over Hurney.Unless you want Angelo and I'd pass.

Thats a 0.6% chance that we will find someone better.Good luck with that.


I tell you what, even Marty Hurney's momma would tell you there are better odds than that....

Flawed math. You calculated there is less than 1% chance of finding better.


Hurney is a decent GM....that is what his resume shows. What we don't know is how much JR has in all of this....

But the trouble some flaw at this point is unlike with Fox....Hurney doesn't seem to be building a roster that is ideal for what his current coaches are wanting to do. Maybe Hurney isn't so much a coaches GM....maybe he and Fox both believed in the same things


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