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#61 SOJA

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 06:50 PM

I'm not going to read this thread but there's a good argument to be made for what they did. They knew they could kill their timeouts and leave them with 80 yards in 49 seconds. The odds on that aren't very good, and they played them. You know that big sheet Rivera holds over his mouth when he talks on the headset? It's just a big list of situational football, game theory'd out.

Fans don't like it because they want to see the Panthers go deep on every play or whatever, but they played the percentages. Yes, Sherrod Martin could have been distracted by the color of the grass and given up a game tying touchdown, but Cam could also have lost the ball on an off tackle run like he did in the first quarter.

Basically don't get hung up on it.



thank buddha there is a least one other person who doesn't base their fandom off what they would do in madden

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:03 PM

A) We won
B.) That doesn't make sense.
C) Our d possibly would have had to play anyway if we had gone for it on third by throwing (which would have given them more time- you can't act like passing or doing something different would have 100% guaranteed a first)
D) Of course Cam is going to say he wanted the ball
E) If anything it was a close call, the initial effort was not "2 feet short", however since you were AT the game, that immediately makes you a more reliable resource than multiple video replays.


Whatever. I'll go back now to arguing for living with people who actually understand logic and reason. While I'm gone, show me a video clip from 22 that proves Brees scored. You won't because he didn't, but if you do by chance, I actually will admit that I was wrong.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:14 PM

Whatever. I'll go back now to arguing for living with people who actually understand logic and reason. While I'm gone, show me a video clip from 22 that proves Brees scored. You won't because he didn't, but if you do by chance, I actually will admit that I was wrong.

The classic: I'm going to insult your intelligence over the internet because I have nothing else to say.

http://www.nfl.com/v...ees-1-yd-run-TD


It was close, best angle is the initial one, ball most likely broke the plane of the endzone. He was not however, 2 feet short. Thanks for playing.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:19 PM

Thanks, and on this you are correct. I have nothing else to say. Buh Bye.

Update. One more thing. As I said, if I am wrong I will admit it. Aside from being distracted by two of my favorite TopCats between me and the goal line in that corner of the field during the 4th, I recall I focused on Breezus' body. I didn't even remember him doing the hand stretch. I checked relevant parts of the vids, slomo'ed them, and zoomed on screenshots, then did some rudimentary image analysis.

If this is representative of all the "film" they had, then there was no "indisputable" evidence to overturn the ruling. However, there isn't enough to "confirm" it either, so the call "stands" as a TD. Someone else here educated me on that concept and I went to the rulebook on it to learn more. I get it now. Fine. That PI call against whoever was defending Smith down in that corner earlier in the game looked a bit "iffy" too, so I guess it evened out, all things considered.

However, I steadfastly maintain that you, and anyone else who thinks intentionally giving the ball back to the Saints*** was a "smart decision," are dead wrong. As someone else described it, that idea is ludicrous. I'm not even remotely close to knowing all there is about coordinating an offense, so I can't fault specific play calls technique as being good or bad, unless the PRIMARY goal was not to get a first down, but simply run down the clock and protect the ball. Newton was patently clear that is not what they wanted to do. They wanted a first, and failed. That is the only real point I was trying to get across. If it giving the ball back was intentional, as some say was smart, well, that mentality does not win championships in football, or anything else.