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#37 Iceberg Slim

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 04:52 PM

dang venom, it takes a lot to get u riled up....wth is going on in here

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 04:58 PM

dang venom, it takes a lot to get u riled up....wth is going on in here


Haha i wouldnt exactly say im all that riled up...but for whetever reason ive decided to take this debate head on...which is something i dont usually do anymore, haha.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 07:31 AM

Well I'm not a structural engineer, which is why I don't argue with the truthers on the so-called physical evidence. The are lots of structural engineers that have gone on record and disputed that evidence but that's probably because the government conspiracy includes all of America's structural engineers. But I am a macroeconomist with a particular focus on monetary policymaking, and I promise I've spent way way more time reading, studying and thinking about money and it's role in the financial system than you have, so I can say quite confidently that your assertive claims on money and the Federal Reserve are wrong. Not a little bit wrong, or kind of wrong, or maybe wrong, but flat-out, 100% wrong. Based on that wrongness, and your willingness to stick doggedly to your beliefs in that area, I suspect that your position on 9/11 may be similar; that you may be sticking to an idea that is ideologically appealing to you despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Maybe you're right and it's the experts in every field that are wrong, maybe the economists and the structural engineers and the political scientists all need to "wake up" to the massive, murderous government conspiracies that surround us everywhere we look and dominate our existence. But I doubt it. And not because I haven't looked at the evidence.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 09:21 AM

Didn't they find traces of a "super" thermite in an apartment that's windows were blown in by the collapsing towers? I just don't see how 2 mega structures free fall in collapse from a jet strike close to the top of the buildings. Then building 7 also free falls to dust from office fires while all the other buildings surrounding the towers stood even though they actually took damage. The jet that crashed in Pennsylvania was estimated to have 35000 gallons of jet fuel remaining when it crashed which was more than the 2 jets that hit the twin towers but inky left a hole in the ground. 4 passenger jets fly off course for close to an your or so and no fighter jets are scrambled to intercept even though they were headed towards Washington and NYC. The government just happened to be conducting "mock" terrorist high jacked plane scenarios when this was all happening. The guy who guided a jet into the Pentagon performed maneuvers seasoned pilots would have difficulty in performing but he had issues flying a Cessna plane. The destruction of the defense dept missing money records in the Pentagon and W7.

Now I don't know what really went down but the whole thing stinks to high Heaven.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 10:48 AM

Well I'm not a structural engineer, which is why I don't argue with the truthers on the so-called physical evidence. The are lots of structural engineers that have gone on record and disputed that evidence but that's probably because the government conspiracy includes all of America's structural engineers. But I am a macroeconomist with a particular focus on monetary policymaking, and I promise I've spent way way more time reading, studying and thinking about money and it's role in the financial system than you have, so I can say quite confidently that your assertive claims on money and the Federal Reserve are wrong. Not a little bit wrong, or kind of wrong, or maybe wrong, but flat-out, 100% wrong. Based on that wrongness, and your willingness to stick doggedly to your beliefs in that area, I suspect that your position on 9/11 may be similar; that you may be sticking to an idea that is ideologically appealing to you despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Maybe you're right and it's the experts in every field that are wrong, maybe the economists and the structural engineers and the political scientists all need to "wake up" to the massive, murderous government conspiracies that surround us everywhere we look and dominate our existence. But I doubt it. And not because I haven't looked at the evidence.


My claims on money and the Federal Reserve are not wrong at all. I will admit, you can out-debate me with your fancy lingo...however your base understanding on the topic is derived from a manipulated foundation, if that makes sense. The Federal Reserve was established by the Anglo-American banking cartel with the intentions of robbing the country for their own personal gain and expansion of power. This is how bankers have acted historically. What we are witnessing now with the davaluation of the dollar and the wiping out of the middle class is all by design. The Rothschild's are most famous for this, with their economic false flags which enabled them to essentially buy out Europe. The intentions of the rulers of this country (the bankers) is to rob us of all real wealth; kill the majority of the planet's population as we are seeing today (via wars, disease, "natural" disasters, poverty, etc), while relocating the remaining population to camps. The book 1984 is pretty accurate to the type of society they would like to see come to fruition. Of course however, I dont think they will be victorious in acheiving this, however it is a known fact this is their plan.

If youve looked thoroughly at the evidence on 9/11, you would easily see that it was an inside job...it really doesnt get more simple than that.

I know you dont believe this information now, but you will when the lid is blown off on all this. There are too many good, and intelligent people in the world who will not sit back and let them kill us and enslave us.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 10:48 AM

plz delete

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 10:48 AM

plz delete

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:40 PM

So your economic prediction must be hyperinflation with the ongoing destruction of the dollar. Also, you must be predicting either a collapse of the "Anglo-American banking cartel"(I'll give you credit, you didn't go with "Jewish cartel" like most conspiracy theorists do) or, if the financial system continues, the enslavement and or murder of large swaths of the populace. We'll see if you're right. Conspiracy theorists have been predicting these things for a long time, while the country gets richer and more prosperous all the while. Monetary economists laughed at Ron Paul people when they predicted hyperinflation after QE1, we laughed at the RPP when the predicted hyperinflation after QE2, and, with inflation still near historic lows, we're laughing at the hyperinflation prediction now too. Maybe you'll get the last laugh after the banking cartel puts us in concentration camps or sneaks into our buildings and plants dynamite in the concrete superstructure. Guess we'll see in the next few years. My prediction: inflation will be low, the financial system will be humming along basically as it is now, there won't be any concentration camps, but RPPs will still be insisting hat all those things are coming.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 02:36 PM

So your economic prediction must be hyperinflation with the ongoing destruction of the dollar. Also, you must be predicting either a collapse of the "Anglo-American banking cartel"(I'll give you credit, you didn't go with "Jewish cartel" like most conspiracy theorists do) or, if the financial system continues, the enslavement and or murder of large swaths of the populace. We'll see if you're right. Conspiracy theorists have been predicting these things for a long time, while the country gets richer and more prosperous all the while. Monetary economists laughed at Ron Paul people when they predicted hyperinflation after QE1, we laughed at the RPP when the predicted hyperinflation after QE2, and, with inflation still near historic lows, we're laughing at the hyperinflation prediction now too. Maybe you'll get the last laugh after the banking cartel puts us in concentration camps or sneaks into our buildings and plants dynamite in the concrete superstructure. Guess we'll see in the next few years. My prediction: inflation will be low, the financial system will be humming along basically as it is now, there won't be any concentration camps, but RPPs will still be insisting hat all those things are coming.


Personally, I didnt think we were going to see hyperinflation after QE1 or QE2. Just because the state gets richer, doesnt mean the populace, or the country as a whole is better off. The real unemployment rate is reaching all-time highs these days; not to mention people arent making as much money as they used to, and are still losing their asses on investments that have since depreciated significantly since the beginning of the recession. Added to that, we are about to face the largest tax hike this country has ever seen in a little over 3 months from now. The strategy of the banking cartel is to rob all the real wealth of this country, via manipulation of our currency and the system itself, which is exactly what we are seeing happen today.

Honestly though I dont think any of that doom and gloom I spoke of is going to happen. Sure...the elites of the world have been striving to bring their plans to fruition, however I do believe they are going to fail. There are positive factions across the world that are aiming to arrest the anglo-american banking cabal, as well as establishment heads in the political system. Once all the gold that was stolen from Asia is returned to them...they are planning on launching the largest humanitarian effort the planet has ever seen. This 50-100 trillion in Gold is going to be used to launch a new global financial system. This operation has been in the works for the past 30 years, with Neil Keenan and the White Dragon Society at the reigns. The money will be spread out across the planet to ensure not one person on the globe is without food, shelter, (legit) medicine, clothing, etc, ever again. We're looking at some $100,000 per every person on the planet that will be allocated in the form of food, shelter, energy, and city/community needs. The goal is to eventually get off a currency all together. I do think we will be seeing these changes sooner than later...and it will be for the much much better.

PS. There is a [Rothschild] Zionist element to all this...however the problem is most people will necessarily equate that with the Jews, when that is not the case.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 03:03 PM

Personally, I didnt think we were going to see hyperinflation after QE1 or QE2. Just because the state gets richer, doesnt mean the populace, or the country as a whole is better off. The real unemployment rate is reaching all-time highs these days; not to mention people arent making as much money as they used to, and are still losing their asses on investments that have since depreciated significantly since the beginning of the recession. Added to that, we are about to face the largest tax hike this country has ever seen in a little over 3 months from now. The strategy of the banking cartel is to rob all the real wealth of this country, via manipulation of our currency and the system itself, which is exactly what we are seeing happen today.


Unemployment rate is down from a high of over over 10% to 8.3%. People that suggest that unemployment+change in labor force should be used forget that many who leave the labor force are retirees, as the country gets older. Unemployment will continue to come down over the next few years. Real incomes are flat since 07, but they are up, sharply, over the longer run. Not sure when you think the Anglo-American banking cartel took over, but I assume it's the same one that's been in place for decades. Real income is on a steady upward trend since the Industrial Revolution. Also, hours worked is down, life expectancy is up, infant mortality is down, violent crime is down(started down in the 80's, was on an upward trend until then), more people take vacations, more people graduate from college, fewer struggle with hunger or disease. Not sure what investments you think have depreciated since the start of the recession. Do you mean since before the recession? Since 07, houses are down and stocks are basically flat, but most other investments have surpassed their pre-recession highs. Since the start of the recession, when asset values fell sharply, pretty much everything is up, even housing. Housing indexes looking strong today, BTW, so the weakest sector in the economy may be gaining strength. You say you don't predict hyperinflation, but you think the cartel is manipulating our currency. Do you think this is benign manipulation? if so, does it even matter? If they really are devaluing the currency, and that makes a difference, how do you suppose there wouldn't be inflation? And can you explain the mechanism by which devaluation of currency would allow banks to appropriate wealth? Dollars would be worth less, but real wealth, ie, physical assets; homes, capital machinery, farmland, raw materials, would still be in the hands of individuals and firms. How does making the dollars worth less help the banks? The banks give out loans largely on fixed interest rates, so if a guy owes you $1,000 and dollars are suddenly only worth half as much, he still only pays you $1,000. Even though that's worth what $500 was before. So inflation screws lenders and helps borrowers. It's true that banks are sometimes borrowers too, but I don't think you'd ever find an economist who would say that devaluation of currency helps the banking system on net.

Once all the gold that was stolen from Asia is returned to them...they are planning on launching the largest humanitarian effort the planet has ever seen. This 50-100 trillion in Gold is going to be used to launch a new global financial system. This operation has been in the works for the past 30 years, with Neil Keenan and the White Dragon Society at the reigns. The money will be spread out across the planet to ensure not one person on the globe is without food, shelter, (legit) medicine, clothing, etc, ever again. We're looking at some $100,000 per every person on the planet that will be allocated in the form of food, shelter, energy, and city/community needs. The goal is to eventually get off a currency all together. I do think we will be seeing these changes sooner than later...and it will be for the much much better.


Holy freaking poo, currency-free White Dragon Society benign global socialism alert! I couldn't understand your argument before, but that's only because I hadn't grasped the awesomeness of the White Dragon Society's plan to recover their stolen gold and provide everyone in the world with a utopian carefree existence. It's all coming together now.

EDIT: If you were joking/being sarcastic about the White Dragon Society thing, good job, you totally got me. I responded as if you actually believed that.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 11:15 PM

I'd vote for Jesse for the sole reason of telling the parties to go f8ck themselves