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Fundament Question: When is an embryo afflicted with original sin?

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you still wouldn't listen

I would. i'm fine with things not adding up 100%. most of the Christians I know don't know poo about Christianity and how it adds up they are just Christians because of there experiences, (though i can't get out of them what exactly those experiences were like) had i had any of supernatural or personal experiences with Jesus or God while I was a christian then I would probably still be a christian today.

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I would. i'm fine with things not adding up 100%. most of the Christians I know don't know poo about Christianity and how it adds up they are just Christians because of there experiences, (though i can't get out of them what exactly those experiences were like) had i had any of supernatural or personal experiences with Jesus or God while I was a christian then I would probably still be a christian today.

so you dial your level of skepticism so high that nothing can breach it except for a miracle.

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so you dial your level of skepticism so high that nothing can breach it except for a miracle.

a miracle? depends on what you call a miracle. peoples standards of miracle are quite different.

apparently all my christian friends and family have had this supernatural experience so they must not be so rare...unless they are just all mistaken in what they really are.

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That's not really an answer.

Face it, if you are born in some remote mountain region in Tibet in 1800, you will never hear about all this Jesus stuff, and you are going to hell. This would prove pretty easily that God, if He exists, is not at all like the one so many people in the US are into, so lets just ignore that stuff.

I had a girlfriend a few years ago that I asked this very same question and her head about exploded, like she never bothered to stop and think about this simple question. It's like because she lived in Southern Baptist country and heard about it everyday, it was assumed that everyone on the planet had to go through the same thing.

Find me a passage in the bible that backs this up.

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Romans 3:23: For all have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God.

I see no infantile clauses there.

(and the truth is, i don't know either way - i'm simply exploring the other end of the issue here. i don't see anything specific about it either way.)

All have sinned. Yes. BORN into it? Ehhh.

I see what ya mean though.

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Looks like you just answered your own question. Christianity tells us that we are all born into sin and the only redemption is to accept Jesus as our Savior (or words to that effect). If you never hear about Jesus, how can you?

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Looks like you just answered your own question. Christianity tells us that we are all born into sin and the only redemption is to accept Jesus as our Savior (or words to that effect). If you never hear about Jesus, how can you?

Just find me a passage that supports someone who has NEVER had the chance to hear about Jesus is DOOMED.

That is all I'm asking for.

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There is none. There is however, lots of support for the idea that you HAVE to accept Jesus as a conscious decision, so your argument is useless.

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All have sinned. Yes. BORN into it? Ehhh.

I see what ya mean though.

Tell me a sin a 1 day old has done.

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Tell me a sin a 1 day old has done.

None. Don't confuse me with THAT guy. Please. :rolleyes:

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There is none. There is however, lots of support for the idea that you HAVE to accept Jesus as a conscious decision, so your argument is useless.

Just find me a passage on that.

One mini example. Jesus on the cross along with two thieves.

Thief one says don't forget about me when you go to paradise.

Jesus who had authority on heavan and earth said done.

Was this thief accepting Jesus or merely asking for the biggest mulligan in history? At least at up until that moment.

But what happened in 1800 or remote tribes in the Amazon doesn't mean squat for you or me or other individuals.

If the IRS audits you do you go, "well what about those tribes in Nenook?" Or well did you audit the guy in Paducah Kentucky?

When the spotlight is on you, it doesn't matter about all the peripheral.

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None. Don't confuse me with THAT guy. Please. :rolleyes:

Ok, so the bible verse is inaccurate then? For all have sinned and come short of the glory of god. Simply a typo? Or baby humans do not count as human.

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Ok, so the bible verse is inaccurate then? For all have sinned and come short of the glory of god. Simply a typo? Or baby humans do not count as human.

WOW.

This might go down as one of the biggest stretches or running with a verse with no concept of the context I have ever seen.

All have sinned. Yep. True. All fall short of the Glory of God. True again.

Is a baby a human? Correct. Can a baby sin? :conehead:

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WOW.

This might go down as one of the biggest stretches or running with a verse with no concept of the context I have ever seen.

All have sinned. Yep. True. All fall short of the Glory of God. True again.

Is a baby a human? Correct. Can a baby sin? :conehead:

No, I would say a baby cannot sin. But Paul says all have sinned right?

Baby must have been born with it then.

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