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#91 Peppers90 NC

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 12:51 PM

JPP is just is big, faster, and quite possibly smarter than our QB and OC.

JPP is probably the most dominant defensive player in the league right now, with D Ware a close second and Matthews a distant third.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 12:54 PM

It's beginning to look that way isn't it.

Newton and Chud both need to be reined in...sorry but its true and its the HC who does that.

They need to go back to smash mouth running the football until this calms down and I don't mean Newton running the football either.

The need to run the football, short passes, move the chains, and take shots.

Not this option poo, then bombs away. This is the NFL not Pop Warner.

JPP is just is big, faster, and quite possibly smarter than our QB and OC.


Not to pile on but from a purely on the field look at the team, the lack of audibles and pre-snap awareness is concerning.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 12:57 PM

ive never seen cam on the sidelines looking at pictures of plays or discussing with coaches how to fix mistakes.



They cut to one shot last night of Cam on the bench and a coach (Shula?) was beside him trying to show him some pix. Clearly, Cam wasn't interested, definitely not focused on it.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:00 PM

Not to pile on but from a purely on the field look at the team, the lack of audibles and pre-snap awareness is concerning.


I'm not a football guru, so speaking of audibles, is this the reason Cam just does the count and that's it, while Manning spends the entire time under center on every play pointing and barking orders? That alone impresses the hell out of me for some reason.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:03 PM

They cut to one shot last night of Cam on the bench and a coach (Shula?) was beside him trying to show him some pix. Clearly, Cam wasn't interested, definitely not focused on it.

I missed that, at least they attempted. I just don't ever recall seeing Cam on the sideline not with a towel on his head alone, this year or last. To be somewhat fair, I watched on NYG local tv last night and usually stream games so I don't always watch Panthers broadcast, where they might would show that more.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:07 PM

I'm not a football guru, so speaking of audibles, is this the reason Cam just does the count and that's it, while Manning spends the entire time under center on every play pointing and barking orders? That alone impresses the hell out of me for some reason.


There's a clear lack of on-field communication with the team in general (not just Cam)

Maybe its because Chud is in the booth and Shula is the main sideline communicator for Cam while Ron just kinda stands there...I dunno but it results in fragmented in-game flow on offense

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:18 PM

I don't understand why the QB is allowed to sit on the bench and not be part of talking to the other QBs and coaches.

He is PART of the team he isn't THE TEAM.

On JPP, exactly, and BTW that was a player we had th opportunity to draft and didn't.

I don't mean to pile onto Newton, there are plenty of other issues with this team; but, QB is the leader. I saw it last year and thought, ok, he just needs to learn; but, in year 2, that crap in the press conferences and the sidelines to stop.

I manage people. I don't like it; but, I do. The way I act, the way I lead, the way I do things under pressure has a mirror effect on the people around me. Cam has got to get that and understand it. If it doesn't, it's over. Draft someone else.

If we are totally honest with ourselves, who on this board thought Newton could/would lead a comeback?

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:21 PM

I would have a problem with Smitty tearing into Cam (he gets upset when he's losing, there's no shame in that) except for the fact that he did his Superman after his touchdown. Like really? You just made it 33-7. Maybe wait till it's a 3 possession game before you start celebrating. That rubbed me the wrong way. I'm glad Smitty gave him a piece of his mind.

I think what youre missing is that Cam and Smitty's on field celebrations dont have anything to do with personal gratification. Theyre trying to pump the team up and get them fired up when they do that. Theyre NOT celebrating (maybe the Cam superman thing was a little). . but they are statements for the team not the individual player.

I realize a lot of you have never been in a leadership position in a sport before . . or played team sports for all that matters, but sometimes there arent any other options that can fix the problem on the spot in the game. You got to get out there make a play and then turn to the sidelines and go "AAARRRGHHHH BAM MUFUGGER! GO ON AND GET IT LIKE THAT BITCHES! CANT HOLD US!" You have to turn to the crowd and say "IT AINT OVER! PUT YOUR HANDS TOGETHER! THIS IS OUR HOUSE!". . . .

Otherwise, the common man will become accepting and complacent with losing or getting beaten. It is an incredibly difficult thing to do and even more difficult when you have a pro football sized ego.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:24 PM

I don't understand why the QB is allowed to sit on the bench and not be part of talking to the other QBs and coaches.

He is PART of the team he isn't THE TEAM.

On JPP, exactly, and BTW that was a player we had th opportunity to draft and didn't.

I don't mean to pile onto Newton, there are plenty of other issues with this team; but, QB is the leader. I saw it last year and thought, ok, he just needs to learn; but, in year 2, that crap in the press conferences and the sidelines to stop.

I manage people. I don't like it; but, I do. The way I act, the way I lead, the way I do things under pressure has a mirror effect on the people around me. Cam has got to get that and understand it. If it doesn't, it's over. Draft someone else.

If we are totally honest with ourselves, who on this board thought Newton could/would lead a comeback?


Only coach he could talk to is the position coach.....and he isn't calling the game.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:26 PM

Sure. Because none of the beat writers are reporting this and neither were the sideline reporters for NFL Network .


whatever dude

“I watched D.A. and Jimmy (Clausen), they don’t play in 20-something games last year. And they get up and they observe and learn and get those mental reps,” Smith said, via Joseph Person of the Charlotte Observer. “I told him, ‘You can get some mental reps or you can sit on that bench and sulk.’”

http://blogs.charlot...ne-sulking.html

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:29 PM

Only coach he could talk to is the position coach.....and he isn't calling the game.



Come on man.

The Head Coach is standing on the sidelines. The WR coach, The Special Teams Coach and our sorry ass D-Coordinator.

The other QBs are there.

He needs to be on board with trying to SOLVE the problem not BE the problem.

And IMHO if Rivera does not change that dynamic, and get busy about doing it, this is over.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:36 PM

I don't think we run the option without jstew. Shoulda had a different gameplan. seemed like they were trying to slow down giants and keep eli off the field with our run game. Doesn't work with out stew apparently. Should"ve just been a shootout from the get go. But on the other hand seems like we are always playing from behind. McDeeznuts needs a new system. that or turn it back over to meeks.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:38 PM

Meeks works for the Chargers now

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:43 PM

Come on man.

The Head Coach is standing on the sidelines. The WR coach, The Special Teams Coach and our sorry ass D-Coordinator.

The other QBs are there.

He needs to be on board with trying to SOLVE the problem not BE the problem.

And IMHO if Rivera does not change that dynamic, and get busy about doing it, this is over.


Reaching....

So you want Cam talking to McD while McD is calling our D? That seems productive. To our horrible ST coach? About what? Have you seen Rivera talking to anyone? He is a statue.

Chud is who Cam should be talking too.....Chud should be aiding and talking about what is going and what they need to do......but he isolates himself from Cam. Dumb with a rookie.



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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:44 PM

Panthers coach Ron Rivera said he handles Newton in his own way, and believes questions about his leadership will be moot when the team starts winning.


I'm sorry, no. Leadership comes when things are at their worst.


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