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[Matthias]

Somebody has to tell it like it is. They need to let this guy run a full pro offense. Let him take his lumps and grow as a QB. Let running be his last option, not one of the first. All these option plays and designed runs makes me sick. Does it work sometimes, yeah. However you see what happens when we go against a real defense. We get shut down. I'm okay with using them every blue moon, but if I want to see them as our main offense, I'll look at college football. If I want to see a wishbone offense, I'll go look at Georgia Tech. This is the NFL, where every play is dissected a billion times over by grown men.

Let this guy run the full offense, let him run it like Anderson would run it. Let him identify coverage and call plays. Let him do the whole bit. Or else he will be like Vick, taking 10+ years learning how to be a QB. And by then, he will be playing for another team.

[beastson]

What's crazy is I don't remember it being like this last year

How did we take a step back?



Edit - far as the read option is concerned. Maybe lack of Shockey?

[Delhommey]

Holy crap you guys! How come no one ever brought this up before?!!!!

[rayzor]

babying him?

lol

[carolina-chuck]

They been babying him last year .
Let him do everything.
Never told him to quit with the towel over the head. Never try to get him to look over plays at the sideline. That's why when he goes over to a press conference with the creepy eyes thingy, this place goes crazy.

[CarolinaSock]

Ok, I've now seen posts supporting Cam saying the staff is making things too complicated for him and now too simple for him. Folks need to decide how the coaches are failing Newton so we can properly blame them.

[Ezell704]

I agree the teams we have beaten we would have beaten with out all this gimicky stuff.The teams we have been beaten by we would have stood a much better chance in running a more traditional O that still utilizes Cam size and athletisism without the "zone read" every run and all that..... on a semi unrelated note i think if we are going to run this stuff if d-will is in he is much better suited for the run option pitch and the zone read.

[carolinanimal]

he only ran 6 times last game. but ran 13 times in our win over the saints.

[thefuzz]

Until we fix our OL, I have a different idea than most. Right now we are getting overpowered up front, I have talked about it before, but our OL is not where we need it to be yet to run a Coryell style O. On top of that Newton is not experienced enough to pick apart coverages, and audible at the line with good results.

Line them up in pro set and stop with the read option.

For a few plays early in the game have Cam look at his first option, and either fire or look to dump off. If dump is covered, tuck the ball and run.

Don't wait for it to open up, don't wait for 2nd or 3rd option, just 1st, dump off, take off.

Not every play just a few in the first quarter to back the D down a bit and then make him stay in the pocket.

Right now the only players that I trust in pass pro for blocking are Gross, Kalil, Stew, and Tolbert. Not sure yet that the rest can handle waiting 2.5 seconds for our WR's to break free.

[rayzor]

if the OL isn't doing it's job well, the last place cam needs to be is under center.

dude needs to be running most everything out of the shotgun or pistol.

[Matthias]

I will say this, Peyton was thrown in day one, handling the full pro offensive style. He threw 28 ints, still a rookie record. Because of the staff letting Peyton run that offense, he has now gone on to have a HOF career. We should take this page out of Peyton's book.

[carolinanimal]

ok. for all the towel on the head people. HE WEARS IT OVER HIS HEAD WHEN WE ARE WINNING ALSO!!!!! did you guys forget why he said he does it? for this to be a board mostly of men, some you guys are really bent on the emotional stuff!!! ( a towel on the head, coach not yelling at players, like that will make a difference)

[carolinanimal]

if the OL isn't doing it's job well, the last place cam needs to be is under center.

dude needs to be running most everything out of the shotgun or pistol.

doesnt aaron rodgers operate mostly out of the shotgun?

[Matthias]

if the OL isn't doing it's job well, the last place cam needs to be is under center.

dude needs to be running most everything out of the shotgun or pistol.

Yet the best play action fakes are done by QBs who are under center. With that said, I don't have a problem with shotgun snaps, it's the option plays and fakes that drive me batty. (Especially option fakes where we throw the ball. That is definitely the worst play in football)

[jtnc]

I will say this, Peyton was thrown in day one, handling the full pro offensive style. He threw 28 ints, still a rookie record. Because of the staff letting Peyton run that offense, he has now gone on to have a HOF career. We should take this page out of Peyton's book.

Cam is a totally different athlete than Peyton, damn you're so damn dumb.