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#16 Keith Moons Liver

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 11:25 AM

On a weekly basis they put Cam in the position where he has to make ridiculous plays if we want to have a chance to win. 3rd and longs where we absolutely need a big play to get back in it... meanwhile the pass protection is terrible and the receivers can't get open and the RBs run into defenders and fall down. He is the least babied player in the league.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 11:28 AM

I don't think they're babying Newton as much as themselves. I'm getting the feeling that the schemes we're seeing on offense are things they worked on in pre season & they had success with but with everything going full speed now, Cam simply doesn't have the experience or knowledge of the system to make it work & for some reason they don't want to back off of it.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 11:28 AM

doesnt aaron rodgers operate mostly out of the shotgun?

most of the top QBs in the league are in the shotgun at least half of the time and it's been a growing trend for several years.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 11:31 AM

Cam is a totally different athlete than Peyton, damn you're so damn dumb.


You think Peyton was an offensive coordinator from day one? No, he got that way because of the many mistakes he made in his first couple of years. You think Eli dissected defenses from the moment he wore a Giants jersey? No, it took years of being intercepted and sacked, before he got to this point. Cam is more gifted than both these cats, yet he is partly focused on running the ball with his ability, whether than putting all the focus on reading defenses and dissecting them. These college options are only hindering him, making him comfortable. The great players don't stay in comfort zones.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 11:32 AM

They are not babying the guy. Oh and I love the Vick reference. Never seen that before.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 11:33 AM

I'm going to be laughing my ass off once we win a couple games going into the bye week, and all this criticism on the coaches and Cam just falls to the wayside. Maybe, I'll bump one of these foolish threads once we have a winning record, just to remind everyone not to panic after every loss.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 11:35 AM

You think Peyton was an offensive coordinator from day one? No, he got that way because of the many mistakes he made in his first couple of years. You think Eli dissected defenses from the moment he wore a Giants jersey? No, it took years of being intercepted and sacked, before he got to this point. Cam is more gifted than both these cats, yet he is partly focused on running the ball with his ability, whether than putting all the focus on reading defenses and dissecting them. These college options are only hindering him, making him comfortable. The great players don't stay in comfort zones.


Gross has already said if Cam is not running the ball well, he most likely won't throw the ball well. When he's doing most is when he is most dangerous. Why not take advantage of Cam's running ability?

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 11:38 AM

Cam is NOT Eli, he's not fuging Peyton Manning, he's not Vick. He's Cam fuging Newton.


Get that through your skull.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 11:43 AM

Gross has already said if Cam is not running the ball well, he most likely won't throw the ball well. When he's doing most is when he is most dangerous. Why not take advantage of Cam's running ability?


His running ability is beyond average, yet this isn't college. Everyone is faster and smarter. In college, Cam broke off 50+ yard touchdowns with ease. Yet in the pros, that is not the case. (He only had one of those last year against the Bucs) Cam shouldn't depend on his running at all as a main weapon. He should consider it as a trump card. This offense we are currently running, considers Cam's ability to run as a main weapon. So it's no wonder that there will be times where we get straight smack down. If you ask me was I surprised by the Giants beatdown, I would tell you I wasn't shocked. (Just really mad)

The day Newton learns to run the full pro offense, that is the day he will be really dangerous.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 11:53 AM

His running ability is beyond average, yet this isn't college. Everyone is faster and smarter. In college, Cam broke off 50+ yard touchdowns with ease. Yet in the pros, that is not the case. (He only had one of those last year against the Bucs) Cam shouldn't depend on his running at all as a main weapon. He should consider it as a trump card. This offense we are currently running, considers Cam's ability to run as a main weapon. So it's no wonder that there will be times where we get straight smack down. If you ask me was I surprised by the Giants beatdown, I would tell you I wasn't shocked. (Just really mad)

The day Newton learns to run the full pro offense, that is the day he will be really dangerous.


It's all about keeping the defense on their heels, did Cam just not have a 40 yard run against the saints? No one expects him to go 50 yards plus, if team wanted a non-athletic pocket passer, that can't evade pressure then they would have stayed with Clausen.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 11:56 AM

It's all about keeping the defense on their heels, did Cam just not have a 40 yard run against the saints? No one expects him to go 50 yards plus, if team wanted a non-athletic pocket passer, that can't evade pressure then they would have stayed with Clausen.


Remember what I said in the OP? Does it work sometimes, yeah. I wouldn't mind seeing it every blue moon. Yet it is a double edged sword, and almost always cut us when we run options against a defense that has any credibility. The Saints are awful on defense. Against the Bucs and Giants, we were shut down. Most likely, we will be shut down against the Falcons as well. With or without Stew in the line-up.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 12:30 PM

Your assuming those parts of the offense are there for the sole purpose of helping Cam. That isnt the case.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 12:36 PM

All I want is the office to run like normal teams. Run plays, pass plays

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 12:42 PM

Your assuming those parts of the offense are there for the sole purpose of helping Cam. That isnt the case.


Why else are they the base offense? I know it's not to fully utilize D-Will or J-Stew. These cats were getting major yardage in the traditional offense. Phillip Rivers was able to utilize Tolbert from pro style offense. So we know it's not to get the full ability out of those guys.

I remember seeing Cam in training camp running the ball on passing plays. (The ones where the crowd would start clapping when he takes off) Now I'm probably reading a little too much into that, but it seemed this coaching staff has encourage Cam to run, to make his adjustments to the NFL as comfortable as possible. Now it's time to expect more from Cam. This is your living, you are getting paid to play. Learn your craft big boy. I don't see this coaching staff as getting on him like that.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 01:02 PM

Somebody has to tell it like it is. They need to let this guy run a full pro offense. Let him take his lumps and grow as a QB. Let running be his last option, not one of the first. All these option plays and designed runs makes me sick. Does it work sometimes, yeah. However you see what happens when we go against a real defense. We get shut down. I'm okay with using them every blue moon, but if I want to see them as our main offense, I'll look at college football. If I want to see a wishbone offense, I'll go look at Georgia Tech. This is the NFL, where every play is dissected a billion times over by grown men.

Let this guy run the full offense, let him run it like Anderson would run it. Let him identify coverage and call plays. Let him do the whole bit. Or else he will be like Vick, taking 10+ years learning how to be a QB. And by then, he will be playing for another team.


If Newton is used as a run as a last option QB.....you simply aren't going to maximize his potential in this league.

Newton is a physical mismatch the likes of which this league has NEVER seen.....and gameplanning for that doesn't change that fact. Not using it to your advantage is silly.

Nothing supports ant weak comparison to Vick


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