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#31 Tarheels23

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 02:34 AM

Peppers against the Vikings in '09 was the last time I seen a DE take over a game the way JPP did Thursday night. Man I wish we had a player like that on our team. LOL....... That guys is a straight baller.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 02:39 AM

I also blame Chud for Cams 2nd INT. There's no play in the playbook that's going to get you 22yards, and not only did Chud ask Cam to convert a 3rd & 22, but he asked him to do it with an empty backfield, against possibly the best pass rushing team in the league.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 02:50 AM

I also blame Chud for Cams 2nd INT. There's no play in the playbook that's going to get you 22yards, and not only did Chud ask Cam to convert a 3rd & 22, but he asked him to do it with an empty backfield, against possibly the best pass rushing team in the league.


That's the part that many miss when they see 3 interceptions. It's like the last one, we're 4th and goal, down by a gazillion, nobody is open, but Cam tries to force it in there and gets picked. Well, what the hell do you expect him to do? A Jimmy Clausen throw away into the bench? A kneel down? Of course he's going to try to force it in there. We would be pissed if he didn't.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 03:08 AM

That's the part that many miss when they see 3 interceptions. It's like the last one, we're 4th and goal, down by a gazillion, nobody is open, but Cam tries to force it in there and gets picked. Well, what the hell do you expect him to do? A Jimmy Clausen throw away into the bench? A kneel down? Of course he's going to try to force it in there. We would be pissed if he didn't.


You're absolutely right!

Another thing I would like to point out is, Cam was right, the Giants did nothing special at all, scheme wise, to stop the Read Option, they just have the horses up front that could individually blow it up.

It truly did come down to execution, although I think Cam was overwhelmed with Osi's speed and JPP's power and range at times, hence his hesitation when reading them.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 04:25 AM

You should tell this to Steve Smith. He obviously thinks different than you do.

Also... I wouldn't be shocked one bit to learn Gatorade pays Cam to wear the towel.


I don't recall Smitty saying anything about the towel. His only point was that when Cam was taken out he should have been watching the game instead of sitting on the bench.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 05:10 AM

I just want to see Ron go off on a player any player at least once, show some emotion please!


That's a good point. He often seems distant from the team, I'm not a Rivera hater but I would like to see him more engaged during the game.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 06:43 AM

Appreciate the perspective and the write up. THanks for taking the time to post this for those of us who have TWC.

Pretty much our o-line got dominated by their d-line. This is the matchup that most people thought would decide the game. If our offense could have hung in there and matched the Giants with some points of their own, we probably wouldn't have given up 36 points. Our defense is only going to be effective if our offense can stay on the field. Otherwise they are going to give up HUGE numbers and they did.

Atlanta has a pretty good D-line (though not quite as good as the Giants) and a fantastic o-line, so we can learn from our mistakes and hopefully have a better game plan vs Atlanta. That said, it is going to be nearly impossible for us to get pressure of Matt Ryan so our offense is going to need to be good for 35+ points. Maybe RR can motivate this team, but I'm afraid I'm losing confidence in him.

I'm not quite ready to say he isn't the answer at HC, but it seems to me, based on what I have read about the game, that the players may be losing confidence in him as well.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 06:56 AM

bullshit- Smitty basically told Cam to grow the fook up and act like a man - nothing said about cams demeanor has been overblown

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 07:26 AM

duplicate

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 07:26 AM

Let me ask you a question. Last year against Minnesota, when Cam had just converted a 4th and 14 to Brandon LaFell for the first, and they were in the red zone, should Cam have jumped all over Smitty for his holding that killed the game winning drive?

Cam didn't do anything any different than Luke Kuechly or Jon Beason, both of whom were seen hanging their heads on the sideline.

Here's an idea...how about letting one of our coordinators, or one of our veteran players show up for the post game press conference, and see how chipper they are.

Cam is a 23 year old kid that is expected to carry a not very good team. There are going to be rough spots.

Smdh.


What I noticed on this site is Smitty can do no wrong even when he's wrong. But Cam cannot do no right, even when he's right. In all honesty, I sat on Thursday night andsaw two different teams. One team carry their QB and play like seasoned Vets. The other led by a temper tantrum throw Captain who seem to believe everything should rest on the shoulders of his 23 year old rookie QB.

IMO, Steve's behavior towards Cam reflects the real maturityor lack there of the Panthers but it's clear who the media and fans rather focus their criticism on. The vibe I gathered from watching the game was, this team really isn't as ready maturity wise as they want to believe they are. When you place every game on the shoulders of your rookie QB, it speaks volumes of how lacking you are as a team. Cam's role is to help the Panthers as a QB,not be the Panthers.

Gaints gave Eli room to grow into his role as a Pro QB and eventual leader. He still ebbs and flows like crazy with his games despite taking the team too and winning two SB championship his 8 years as a QB. He's far from perfect as a QB but his team mates seem to be always there to rescue him. It's clear to see that he can depend on them when he's not having a good night. The Gaints play with pride, not arrogance.

Not so with Cam and the Panthers. The Panthers and fans seem hell bent on ignoring the pink elephant on their team by putting all responsibilities and faults of a team on the shoulders of every QB they get. Cam did not seem to play relaxed at all on Thursday. He seems very rushed as if every throw and pass has to count. He plays like he's under a microscope and his every action is being scrutinized, which means he will make more mistakes than necessary.

Unlike Eli, Cam does not seem appreciated by this team. You can see the disconnect of the plays. There is no rhythm and flow between QB and receivers and as usual all eyes go to Cam when anything goes array. IMO, the Gaints and the Panthers game was a picture of two teams and how they operate like a team. The Giants players know their role and step up to help their QB. The Panthers players sometimes seems lost and expect the QB to always have the answer.

Cam's flaws are going to be more obvious because he's under a much hotter microscope. He's clear not placed in the same light as say a Luck or Stanford and will not receive the same pass like them by the media when his game goes South. He's also not surround by players who can bail him out of trouble and his failures will be strongly magnified by the media just as much or even more than his successes. This is where his team is suppose to step in and protect him but it's obvious the captains and vets on the Panthers are to busy pouting and looking out for their own image with the media. There is clearly a lot of 'I" on the Panther team.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 07:44 AM

bullshit- Smitty basically told Cam to grow the fook up and act like a man - nothing said about cams demeanor has been overblown


Maybe Smitty could take some of his own advise and grow to fug up.since he's like 13 years older than Cam. He has caused the team some serious yardages with his dumb ass immature behavior on the field. But let's continue to pretend it's all on Cam.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 07:45 AM

towel on head = baseball cap.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 07:49 AM

Good poo man, Marguide is on fire in here.

I see Rip Saw is making his only contribution to this board, trashing Cam. Another day the office eh.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 08:01 AM

towel on head = baseball cap.



Towel on the head must also equal hoodie to some folks. Which I guess means Cam is a "thug" in their eyes. Maybe that is where all the screams of him being so immature for wearing a towel to relax is coming from. Amazing how some folks can sit and read so much inegativity into a young man's actions.SMDH.

They wonder why the Panthers are where they're at in the league.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 08:05 AM

Good post Mar...

I'd like to add on to your point about Rivera and his comment about being unhappy with the soft zone.

I mentioned in one of the post-game threads that in Ron's interview after the game on our post-game show, he even said something then to the effect of "We were too soft. Especially in coverage." He elaborated on it, but it really struck me as a weird thing to say because I thought the same thing you did - doesn't he have authority to change it?

That's why I have expressed even more concern about him since the game. It isn't any longer just about our team coming out looking unprepared multiple games now... It's clear something is amiss during games as well. The statement he made in the post-game interview suggested either he doesn't have any say or that the amount of cushion our DBs and LBs were giving was completely up to their own discretion, or both. Either way, something is off.


If you remember last season he had the same problem with McD and had to take over. I'm guessing if he has to take over again its goodbye to McD. When Rivera calls someone out like this its never a good thing and change is usually on the way.


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