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Deep Thought and Identity

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This is my first thread and I felt the football gods laid this upon my spirit. Everyone remembers the Fox Era, the good, the bad, and the real ugly. One thing and probably the only thing about Fox I liked was that he gave the football team an identity. Tough in the trenches, power smash football to set up play action and keeping the score manageable. Yes the latter years sucked but Fox had a vision. What is Ron's vision for our football team? Remember the first game against a rookie coach named Greg Schiano, Greg established his vision for a team with attitude and that plays hard swarming the football (not the best team to use I know). Those simple words define who the Bucs are and it may have not show right now but Bucs are heading the right direction. One win against us, almost beat the reigning super bowl champs (didn't like the cheap shot at the end but hey that's life), and could have beat the cowgirls. It is a shame that Ron after one year cannot establish a clear cut vision of what the Panthers should be. What is our identity? Identity gives direction, establishes tradition, and builds team pride. Ron just needs to lay out who we are and no matter what work to develop the vision and define a clear cut identity for this team. It is time for not Cam but Ron to step up in this time, this team needs Ron's leadership more than ever. Also Chud and Sean it is time for you all to seat down with Ron about our team's vision. The next game against Atlanta, I hope the team can establish better form of what it is working for and lay the grounds for future growth. I cannot wait for the day the team finally identifies itself and see this team win a super bowl but until then who are the Carolina Panthers as a team?

My question to the Huddle is: What is your vision or the identity you want for this football team? It can be play style in adjectives, it can be philosophical in play calling, or anything but what is your vision you would lay down to form an identity.
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Hey winning is good lol, the team needs to find itself to move forward to make us more consistent and relevant in games. I tend to over think things but I just do not see the team's identity in play calling at all besides being one step behind other teams....

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yea, check out Greg Schiano and those 1-2 Bucs with so much direction and identity to them

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Up tempo, any down can be any type of play style of football. Of course, establishing the run is a large part of this, since run, play-action pass, and standard pass are the three play types. Well-rounded, try to guess what we're doing type of offense. Defensively we should be playing fundamentally sound, assignment football. That means making tackles on first contact (or at least stopping momentum and waiting on the cavalry to clean it up. To hell with stripping the football, just get the guy down quick). Not missing your gaps on stunts. Not giving up gap integrity if your job is to hold between B gap and outside contain. None of this bend but don't break crap. Get after their asses from the first snap to the last. If a team is driving relatively easy on you in a tight game, call a timeout and fix it. Don't let them have an easy drive that deflates you and makes the offense feel panicked like it has this season.

If that isn't a winning identity, nothing is.
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i think we need a more family-friendly stadium environment
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Bucs may be 1-2 at least they were not embarrassed at home. Also to add the Bucs barely lost to the Gaints, the same team that killed us if I recall....

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agree with PhillyB. We must get softer

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I think the team having an identity with winning would get these flip flopping fans into a better home environment. It is just plain embarrassing to see the Panthers play at home and see an almost equal mount of opposing fans as home fans there.

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We have an identity, "Here we go again" team
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I want to emulate the Steelers. On D you know you're going to get punished, teams hate having to play against such a fierce group that makes you fight for every yard. I want a D that offenses dread playing.

On O they're trying to get back to the run game and that smashmouth style, which they're capable of, but they have big play ability as they've taken to the air with Ben's arm strength and ability to extend plays.

On ST, I just want a unit I'm not worried about every time they take the field.

Good thread, welcome.

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We are emulating the Cleveland Browns. Bad GM, bad contracts,bad coaching, bad players, and locker room dysfunction.

All we are missing now is a couple cases of staph infection and by golly it'll be like looking into a mirror!

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I think part of the issue is the conflicting identities the coaching staff and front office are trying to build.

While RiveraCo want a dynamic, explosive offense and an aggressive opportunistic defense, Hurney And Friends are bound and determine to keep our team lodges in the 60's.

So you have Rivera trying to add talented pass catchers and gifted pass rushers while HurneyMagic combs the wire looking to stockpile Runningbacks and add Linebackers.

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RR's identity: None.

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Vertical attacking offense, taking advantage of mismatches and weaknesses

Turnover machine defense that focuses on blitzing, forcing the pass and holding the run

ST is ST, don't think it needs an identity.

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I want our Panthers to be the team that other teams whine about running up the score against them. I want our guys to be the recognized assholes that every team dreads playing because we just impose our will on them. I want every player for this organization to be arrogant and fearless, never giving up, and to only let our boot off the other guy's neck five minutes after the final whistle blows.

In short.. I want the Panthers to be perrenial contenders. We won't win it every year, although a dynasty would be incredible, but I want us to scare other teams into thinking we have a damn good shot at it. Tough, arrogant, and blasphemous works for me for an identity, thanks.
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[quote]I want to emulate the Steelers[/quote]

go f - u- = c- k yourself loser

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On offense...I want teams to be scared of the option play. Will Cam take it and run or will DWill grab it from him. You just don't know.

On defense...I want no aggressive blitzes. QB's will fear the standard front four. LB's are just for looks anyway.

On ST...beautiful punts, they will know us!

But, seriously...back to what we originally thought was going to happen. Vertical attacks and Aggressive blitzing. ST I honestly didn't see us improving based on Brian Murphy. But, would love to see the old Jarrod Cooper smash days, along with solid return lanes.

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I would say 'aggressive'.

Attacking with the passing game downfield--like they do when we're moving it at our best.

Aggressive on defense blitzing from all angles... extremely aggressive, even if it gives up some chunks. Blitz blitz blitz.

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I want some of the nastiness and grit of old school ballers like Conrad Dobler and Dick Butkus. Think old school Raiders or Steelers, but with speed. I want guys that, on offense, have the same attitude - willing to win with finesse or a fistfight, whatever it takes. I want Special Teamers that hit so hard it makes people like Forte wet their pants and cringe at having to stand there and wait for the ball while our guys come barreling down on them. I want a QB like Johnny Unitas, who is just as ornery in the huddle as Ray Lewis is when lining up across from some poor sap of an offensive tackle, and who holds the rest of the team to the same standards of accountability he has for himself. I want coaches who instill a tradition of toughness, and players who don't mind spitting a little blood for the sake of good, hard gridiron combat. I want all of the Panthers to have a streak of the Marine Corps' stubborn meanness, the thing that makes Marines so successful and fearsome in combat and the thing that will (I believe) make other teams dread having to face the Carolina Panthers.

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Whatever the opposite of bipolar is. That is what they are now and what they have been for a while. I absolutely hate watching any Panther celebrate really early in the game. I don't want them posing and dancing after a first quarter TD or tackle. The game is not over and last year soured me on those types of things.

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I really don't care what the identity is as long as the team wins. So far what I've seen from the Panthers since Rivera became HC is a haphazard game plan, leaky defense, and awful special teams. The only thing keeping this team from being 2-14 again is the raw talent of Cam Newton. Nothing else on the team has improved since Fox left.

I question if this coaching staff is capable of creating a winning game plan week in and week out. Identity or not, I want to see a well-coached team.

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