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Late in the game, with the lead, needing a 1st down to ice the game

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So, I am glad my team prevailed.

I told everyone the Panthers had the talent to make this a game and they didn't disappoint. The team played very well. I really think I saw one dropped passed by the Panther receivers and they had good separation all day. The offensive line gave cam lots of time in the pocket and played really well thanks to them.

The defense played really well maintaining pressure on Ryan all day, I think I mentioned Clabo was struggling and Johnson had a career game against him. People complaining on Nakamura should keep in mind Safeties shouldn't be singled out one on one with wide receivers especially not one as talented as Roddy white. Olson was really good, gave us fits more than the numbers indicate.

Worst coaching part of the game by the Panthers in my opinion was the lack of urgency at end of the 1st half. Those who did not like the punt in the 4th quarter on the 4 and 1, I disagree and any NFL coach will make that call every time when you sacked the opposing QB 5 times.

Those claiming that it was not team loss need to question if their Panther fans or team fans, anyone remember the non catch that Cam didn't hike the ball quick enough? The fumble in the last few moments of the game. Cam had a game but he contributed to the loss as well as the close win its a team game.

You win as a team you lose as a team. Carolina is a better football team than its fans or the Media believes and the Panthers made me a believer.

Btw not a big fan of that option read runs, be good to see you all in a power I or broken I running down peoples throat with your talent on O.

Look forward to next match up, good luck on your guys health.

I like your assessment man. It was a good game. I was hoping of course for us to come out on top but unfortunately we didn't. I really didn't like the "2 minute drill" at the end of the 1st half. We had 3 timeouts and we use the clock poorly. Roddy and Turner destroyed us. Tough loss but we will bounce back.

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I'm pretty sure the OP is talking about the drive before that.

That too. I think the sequence was the same it always is in that situation. Run for 1, run for 2, incomplete. Every single time.

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sad that a falcons fan is posting the most well-thought-out, reasonable material on a panthers board right now

some of you need to burn your keyboards

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It was good playcalling all night just not EXECUTED correctly at the very end.

If Cam doesn't fumble we get the 1st down along with the W. Then everyone cheers aobut how great everything went... Unfortunately thats not what happened.

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We could have iced that game at that point?

Yes....by scoring and stuff. You know, you can score more points even if you already have a lead.

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Yes....by scoring and stuff. You know, you can score more points even if you already have a lead.

1st downs aren't points. You can't ice a game with a first down with 4 mins left. We still stopped them after that 2nd to last drive. I am sure you be critical of drives back in the first half if you want to go back.

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We would have converted if Cam had held on to the ball. So not sure you can blame the play call.

Since we are playing ti "ifs and buts" game... if Hangartner wouldn't have gotten blown the fug up, maybe Cam wouldn't have fumbled. A lot more going on than this simple fumble BS.

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The way we have reacted in that scenario is so freaking weird. How many times have we converted that first down we've needed in the past two seasons? Is this a mental thing that gets into Chud and Cam's heads? The playcalling suddenly turns to complete poo and Cam plays at his absolute worst.

Surely I'm not the only one that's noticed that right? As soon as I saw we needed a first down late, I knew we wouldn't. Absolutely knew it.

Why in the blue hell is this? What are we doing wrong?

I have to LOL...You folks are well aware of how bad your team plays but will refuse to admit it.

Cam carries the ball... his O-line was suppose to block and help him get the ball into the endzone. What happens...The player falls, which in turns causes Cam to trip over him and bounce into the opposing player while falling to the ground...which inturn causes the ball to get knocked lose. The ball was recovered and the coach had a decision to make...go for it or punt the ball away. He choose to punt the ball away because he trusts the worst defensive team in the league to stop the opposing team. The other team capitalizes on it because they use their heads better. Game over.

Once again the outcome of this game reflects the sheer incompetence of this team. amazing that it's not Smitty's fumble for a return TD that you folks harp over...Nope, it's the fact that your QB fumbled a ball he recovered and had enough time to win the game if the coach had taken a chance.

I can't take you folks seriously at all. Your spin is worst than the crap in the sports media.

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1st downs aren't points. You can't ice a game with a first down with 4 mins left. We still stopped them after that 2nd to last drive. I am sure you be critical of drives back in the first half if you want to go back.

4:50 left in the 4th quarter, only 1-point lead, content with the amount of points we have, calling wildcat play, not even bothering trying to get a first down. I don't see how you can defend our conservative play. We were afraid that we would have to move the chains to win the game and cowered at the challenge.

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Since we are playing ti "ifs and buts" game... if Hangartner wouldn't have gotten blown the fug up, maybe Cam wouldn't have fumbled. A lot more going on than this simple fumble BS.

I am saying don't blame it on the play call. Blame it on the execution whether that's Cam securing the ball or as you say Hangartner blocking his man. The OP was blaming the play call when in reality the play call would have lead to a first down.

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So, I am glad my team prevailed.

I told everyone the Panthers had the talent to make this a game and they didn't disappoint. The team played very well. I really think I saw one dropped passed by the Panther receivers and they had good separation all day. The offensive line gave cam lots of time in the pocket and played really well thanks to them.

The defense played really well maintaining pressure on Ryan all day, I think I mentioned Clabo was struggling and Johnson had a career game against him. People complaining on Nakamura should keep in mind Safeties shouldn't be singled out one on one with wide receivers especially not one as talented as Roddy white. Olson was really good, gave us fits more than the numbers indicate.

Worst coaching part of the game by the Panthers in my opinion was the lack of urgency at end of the 1st half. Those who did not like the punt in the 4th quarter on the 4 and 1, I disagree and any NFL coach will make that call every time when you sacked the opposing QB 5 times.

Those claiming that it was not team loss need to question if their Panther fans or team fans, anyone remember the non catch that Cam didn't hike the ball quick enough? The fumble in the last few moments of the game. Cam had a game but he contributed to the loss as well as the close win its a team game.

You win as a team you lose as a team. Carolina is a better football team than its fans or the Media believes and the Panthers made me a believer.

Btw not a big fan of that option read runs, be good to see you all in a power I or broken I running down peoples throat with your talent on O.

Look forward to next match up, good luck on your guys health.

You may be the most awesome non-Panthers fan to ever grace this board with your presence.

Great post, perspective, and objectivity. Looking forward to more of your posts...

That being said, in regards to SMF's original post... I made the same complaint last year when we started giving games up in the second half. Chud definitely completely hunkers down and goes conservative with the lead in the second half.

When Deangelo lined up in the Wildcat, I was thinking, "Chud, you better not do it." He did. If we all know he's going to run it, so does ATL, and they attacked the play immediately and blew it up before he could reach the corner.

There was no creativity on our part, and no need for second-guessing on theirs. Just poor play calling. You've got to walk that line between keeping an offensive rhythm with manageable downs to keep the clock running and taking the kill shot.

At the least, if you drop Cam back in a spread formation or empty backfield, you give him the option to read the field and if nothing is there, he can scramble. To come out in run formation after run formation, it was a matter of wills because they knew what was coming... They won out.

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I know its tough as fans not to second guess this stuff after your delt a close loss, but I think your coached call a hell of a game other than that end of 1st half stuff, I never understood the lack of urgency by the offense to get to the line and snap.

I thought both teams left scores on the field,

I don;t watch you guys that often will be sure to when we aren't playing at the same time.

For the sake of being objective though, not a huge fan of that option read stuff I think great defenses will blow that up everytime and it won;t eb effective.

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