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#31 DaCityKats

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 10:06 PM

A lot of the time that he's "following" is scheme related. He's looked pretty good in press coverage in crossing routes and anything under 15 yards. On go routes, or any deep route really, with our two deep nickle sets, he releases the top of the route to the safety and falls to underneath coverage - that's a scheme set up and not a coverage failure. Unfortunately Nakamura sucks balls.

As to your targeted yards point; he would likely be near the top. There's a few reasons for that. Very little rookie corners have started every game as a number two this year, and we've played three very prolific passing teams out of our four games.

Norman looks to be progressing fine in my eyes.

this we seemed to be in some sort of cover 2 and since he had no other threat underneth he stayed on the fly while the safety was supposed to be there over top.he helped out naka but was still unsuccessful,would really like him pressing as well as Gamble.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 10:09 PM

He's playing pretty solid for a rookie.


He got burned all game long. I watched the game on rewind a couple times today.

Hurney needs to invest in some quality proven DBs until he is ready to play, but he should not be starting in the NFL at this point.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 10:12 PM

He got burned all game long. I watched the game on rewind a couple times today.

Hurney needs to invest in some quality proven DBs until he is ready to play, but he should not be starting in the NFL at this point.

Just stop dude.

#34 La Pantera

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 10:21 PM

Can we get a pimp slap button?

#35 CAVSS

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 10:32 PM

Wow. A 5th rounder from Coastal Carolina is only playing like a slightly bellow average NFL CB. I just can't believe it.

Remember when Gamble was a rookie? He was constantly getting burned going for the big plays. Or even two years ago when half the huddle wanted his head? Who is very quietly having possibly the best year of any CB in the NFC btw. Even dating back to the last half of 2011 he has consistently shut down some of the best WR's in the league. QB's arent even throwing his way anymore. (Sorry for the tangent)

This kid is WAY ahead of his expected learning curve. The future looks good at CB if he continues to develop at this speed.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 10:41 PM

He's the 6th pick in the draft.
Norman is a 5th rounder.

You dont compare Munnerlyn to Revis. I don't see why you're trying to prove a case at comparing Norman to Claiborne.



You compare starters to starters. And comparing him to morris is still on the lower end of the scale. When cam was a rookie they compared him to everyone in the league not just rookies. you don't get a pass because you were in the 5th round this is the nfl if your number is called its called. your a starter.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 10:47 PM

http://walterfootbal...m/nflreview.php

White had an awesome performance, catching eight balls for 169 yards and two touchdowns. Julio Jones, meanwhile, had just one catch for 30 yards. He simply couldn't get open against Chris Gamble. He nearly had a second reception, but couldn't get two feet inbounds on a long pass in the fourth quarter(norman covering).


Can we stop saying norman had a great game because it wasn't. He was covering roddy 80% of the time. You saw the numbers he put up. and while it could be scheme related, i sure as hell haven't forgotten the whipping ramses barden put on him last week. everyone saying he's playing great and outstanding.....are we watching the same games???????????

#38 Way Truth Life

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 10:52 PM

Wow. A 5th rounder from Coastal Carolina is only playing like a slightly bellow average NFL CB. I just can't believe it.


You just made the point of the year...the Carolina Panthers are starting a rookie CB from Coastal Carolina who was selected in the 5th round.

Thanks Hurney!

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 11:05 PM

I think Norman will turn out to be a good player. But we're going to need more help at CB. Captain is going to be a FA and who knows with Hogan. I want another shutdown CB across from Gamble. We have a chance to get that this draft with the likes of Rhodes, Milliner, and Banks.

It's turned into a passing league. We need guys who can stay on an island and a FS who can just have a field day.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 11:14 PM

Only thing you can fault him for is giving too much cushion occasionally.

As I mentioned in another thread, Nak kept saying stuff to him after plays and it looks like, as with everyone else on our defensive back 7, none of them know where their responsibilities/assignments end and where the next guy's begins. There seems to be a huge issue in communication, both in man and zone, but especially zone.

When he's stayed with his man and not tried to pass him onto Nak or whoever else, he's done an outstanding job. He's also done really well in recovering if the receiver initially beats him. He is as sure of a tackler as we have on defense which is sad when that guy is your cornerback, and he rarely ever allows any significant YAC if his guy makes a catch on him. When the ball has been thrown for him to make a play on it, he has... Several times over. And he uses his body well to adjust to the ball and deflect it.

Timed speed and football speed aren't one in the same. His on field speed is much better than his timed speed. Add to that his size and fluidity in shifting and changing directions, and he is well positioned to be our #1 CB down the line, and at worst the permanent #2.

There may be some bumps in the road along they way this year, but that's expected with a rookie. He is the right guy for the job. If our guys did a better job of understanding what they were doing and communicating it with each other, which may come with time playing together, then our defense would be tons better - so long as opponents don't catch Nak in one-on-one coverage, lol.

You're welcome. *Mike Mayock face*

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 11:15 PM

Norman has not played badly. Roddy White is a spectacular receiver - he's certainly good enough to get it done against a small school 5th rounder in his first season. I think Norman will be fine.

I can think of a few things I'd like to fix before I addressed Josh Norman.

#42 carolina-chuck

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 11:15 PM

You compare starters to starters. And comparing him to morris is still on the lower end of the scale. When cam was a rookie they compared him to everyone in the league not just rookies. you don't get a pass because you were in the 5th round this is the nfl if your number is called its called. your a starter.


Lol

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 11:20 PM

for a rookie corner, he is playing well. patrick peterson was getting beat badly last year and has improved greatly.

#44 Snake

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 01:11 AM

Stupid post is stupid.

#45 Marguide

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 01:37 AM

http://walterfootbal...m/nflreview.php



Can we stop saying norman had a great game because it wasn't. He was covering roddy 80% of the time. You saw the numbers he put up. and while it could be scheme related, i sure as hell haven't forgotten the whipping ramses barden put on him last week. everyone saying he's playing great and outstanding.....are we watching the same games???????????


I agree with your observations, but come up with a different conclusion. Norman has been picked on consistently in the last 2 games, as would any rookie CB. But he also occasionally shows flashes, and most importantly, does not act at all overwhelmed. He has been much better than we had any right to expect out of a 5th rounder.

Where I think we're in agreement is that it would have been nice to have a decent vet on the 53 so we could ease Norman into the role. Yes, Norman's learning curve would be slowed somewhat, but I doubt anyone in the locker room yesterday gives a damn about learning curves. They want to win.


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