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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:32 PM

Wait who am I thinking about then?

Ok, I got the Lions and Titans games mixed up.

We were shut down against the Titans last year.


So we have been shutdown 1 out of 18 games with Stewart vs every game without him?



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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:35 PM

Only gets shut down when we play without a zone read RB.

I keep saying it and the games support it. Rivera supports it. Stewart is the key....if he isn't suited up the defensive lines have a different gameplan.

Read option isn't the issue, bc we are explosive and dominant with it. Issue is only running it as a core without Stewart. Nothing opens up bc defenses just pass rush every down. Stewart presents a different threat inside that makes teams actually read and react


I don't know about that, Stewart didn't have a fantastic game against the Falcons. It really doesn't matter how good the QB or RB that are running the play, it can easily be shut down. On average, it probably loses more yards per attempt, than your average running play. It's only good for big gains, one or two times. That is why the best way to use it, is sparingly if at all. So who cares if you get 50-60 yards on one or two read options. For the rest of the times you use it, you may pick up 2 yards or negative yards.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:36 PM

So we have been shutdown 1 out of 18 games with Stewart vs every game without him?


I'm not trying to prove your point wrong, I'm just saying we were shut down once last year.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:37 PM

Wait who am I thinking about then?

Ok, I got the Lions and Titans games mixed up.

We were shut down against the Titans last year.


Yeah the Titans were the only game we were shut down in. Yet in four games this year, we were shut down twice running the option. So if this continues, we will be shut down at least 8 games this year. Talk about reverting, and this coaching staff ensuring Cam has a sophmore slump.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:39 PM

I don't know about that, Stewart didn't have a fantastic game against the Falcons. It really doesn't matter how good the QB or RB that are running the play, it can easily be shut down. On average, it probably loses more yards per attempt, than your average running play. It's only good for big gains, one or two times. That is why the best way to use it, is sparingly if at all. So who cares if you get 50-60 yards on one or two read options. For the rest of the times you use it, you may pick up 2 yards or negative yards.


But is isn't about just his touches....about what he represent. Defenses don't pass rush all game.

And it can't be easily shut down..... bc teams only shut it down without our primary read option RB. Williams is a complimentary piece to the read option....not what makes it work. Cam and Stewart are the drivers and Williams works into the machine.

Regardless of who we play from here on out.... if Stewart and Cam play....it maybe gets shutdown once. bad days happen. It is just a simple physical mismatch.....something will be open to exploit.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:43 PM

Yeah the Titans were the only game we were shut down in. Yet in four games this year, we were shut down twice running the option. So if this continues, we will be shut down at least 8 games this year. Talk about reverting, and this coaching staff ensuring Cam has a sophmore slump.

Stewart is the only true read option RB and definitely the only one built on our team to run it in the NFL. Only was shutdown without him.....that is like running it to an exaggerated degree with DA and wondering why it won't work. Threat changes....defensive line plays the scheme different.

You have to have an inside zone read threat which only Stewart brings.

They need to scrap it if Williams is the only RB bc DLs just pass rush....and kill it. The outside runs are the only threat. Sure, Williams can take it up the gut but he is no threat to make a player miss with contact. Rivera backed this up over a week ago when addressing why Stewart was needed back.

Stewart sets Cam up, sets the pass up, sets up the pitch work

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:49 PM

But is isn't about just his touches....about what he represent. Defenses don't pass rush all game.

And it can't be easily shut down..... bc teams only shut it down without our primary read option RB. Williams is a complimentary piece to the read option....not what makes it work. Cam and Stewart are the drivers and Williams works into the machine.

Regardless of who we play from here on out.... if Stewart and Cam play....it maybe gets shutdown once. bad days happen. It is just a simple physical mismatch.....something will be open to exploit.


I'm going to have to see this scheme with Stewart in it a little more before I agree with this point. I believe if anything, having both Williams and Stew in there makes the play go. (Not a great example, the but the most success we've seen with this type offense was with them against the Bucs last year) So if Williams were injured, I believe the read option would struggle as you say when we didn't have Stew in there. Ultimately, from what I've seen, I have to say this play is best used sparingly.

Yet let me ask you this question. If Andrew Luck was our QB, would we still see the read option for 50% of our plays?

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:54 PM

Ugh.................................'................................................° huddle smh

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:48 PM

I guess you guys just close your eyes on the Williams runs, and td out of the zone read.

I don't know how else you can even begin to claim Williams doesn't work in the zone read.

Stewart is a more punishing runner, in turn breaking more tackles.

Doesn't mean Williams isn't good in the zone read.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 05:22 PM

I'm going to have to see this scheme with Stewart in it a little more before I agree with this point. I believe if anything, having both Williams and Stew in there makes the play go. (Not a great example, the but the most success we've seen with this type offense was with them against the Bucs last year) So if Williams were injured, I believe the read option would struggle as you say when we didn't have Stew in there. Ultimately, from what I've seen, I have to say this play is best used sparingly.

Yet let me ask you this question. If Andrew Luck was our QB, would we still see the read option for 50% of our plays?


We avg 200 yard rushing and 30 pts this year with Stewart. We had one of the greatest rushing attacks in league history last year with Stewart getting more reps.....there is more evidence of it working well than just that Tampa game.

Deangelo added in makes the attack all time level great....with just Stewart it would be a les flashy steady machine.

Andrew Luck is big and athletic.....he isn't a comparable runner to Cam bc of a 40 time. Luck also has a fantastic short game in regards to accuracy....and Cam's short game is his legs. Color has nothing to so with it.....skill set does.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 05:26 PM

I guess you guys just close your eyes on the Williams runs, and td out of the zone read.

I don't know how else you can even begin to claim Williams doesn't work in the zone read.

Stewart is a more punishing runner, in turn breaking more tackles.

Doesn't mean Williams isn't good in the zone read.


You are failing to see the point. It is about the threat posed.

Williams' strength is getting to the outside....not breaking a tackle and gaining yards. He can make a team pay with a big hole like the one he was given....

Ron Rivera and even backed the point I have been saying since the offseason. Stewart's inside THREAT is what opens it all up to steadily work.

Williams needs a hole inside....Stewart doesn't. Teams don't respect the inside read without Stewart and simply pass rush which clogs Cams and Williams outside lanes.

It isn't about if Williams has ever had a successful run. About it consistantly working over the course of a game. You need the inside threat.....

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 01:12 AM

If the oline blocks.consistently, it doesn't matter.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 07:47 AM

If the oline blocks.consistently, it doesn't matter.


Blocking is unique for be read option vs say a traditional run play called.

more about Cam making calls based on how a defensive line is playing a particular down....with Stewart out they don't respect an inside read. Which limits his opportunities as a runner and the passing opening up......and makes pass blocking tougher out of the formation


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